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Banking Earnings Soft: Buy Financial ETFs On Value?

The financial sector, which accounts for around one-fifth of the S&P 500 index, had a sluggish- to-decent Q3. Weak capital market activities and global growth worries along with a low interest rate environment dealt a blow to the space. However, modest gains in loan growth amid low interest rates, investment banking activities thanks to surge in corporate actions and cost containment efforts helped the space to stay afloat in the quarter. As evident from the big bank earnings, the sector has been an average performer. Per the Zacks Earnings Trend issued on October 14, financial earnings are expected to jump 9.6% this quarter on 3.7% lower revenues. To be more specific, easy comparisons at Bank of America Corporation or BofA (NYSE: BAC ) is leading the sector. Excluding Bank of America, results would have been much more muted than it looks now. Earnings would fall in absence of BofA’s stellar growth (read: Guide to the 7 Most Popular Financial ETFs ). Let’s take a look at the big banks’ earnings which released lately. Big Bank Earnings in Focus JPMorgan (NYSE: JPM ) reported earnings of $1.32 per share missing the Zacks Consensus Estimate by 4.4% and the year-ago earnings by 2.9%. Managed net revenue of $23.5 billion in the quarter was down 6% from the year-ago quarter. It also compared unfavorably with the Zacks Consensus Estimate of $23.8 billion. Goldman (NYSE: GS ) earned $2.90 per share in Q3, falling short of the Zacks Consensus Estimate of $3.08 per share and declining from the year-ago figure of $4.57. The shortfall in earnings reflected a fall in revenues, hurt by lower trading activity in the quarter, be it bonds, currencies or commodities (read: 3 Sector ETFs Hit Hard by the Market Sell-off ). Net revenue dived 18% year over year to $6.9 billion for the quarter. Revenues also lagged the Zacks Consensus Estimate of $7.3 billion. Lower net interest as well as non-interest income weighed on the top line. Citigroup Inc.’s (NYSE: C ) adjusted earnings per share of $1.31 for the quarter outpaced the Zacks Consensus Estimate of $1.29. Further, earnings compared favorably with the year-ago figure of $0.95 per share. Adjusted revenues of Citigroup declined 8% year over year to $18.5 billion. Also, the revenue figure missed the Zacks Consensus Estimate of $18.76 billion. Wells Fargo (NYSE: WFC ) earned $1.05/share in 3Q15 beating the Zacks Consensus Estimate by a penny. The reported figure was also above the year-ago number of $1.02 per share. The quarter’s total revenue came in at $21.9 billion, outpacing the Zacks Consensus Estimate of $21.5 billion. Moreover, revenues rose 3.3% year over year. Bank of America Corporation’s third-quarter earnings of $0.37 per share outdid the Zacks Consensus Estimate of $0.34. Further, the bottom line witnessed a significant improvement from net loss of $0.04 incurred in the prior-year quarter. Net revenue of $20.7 billion was down 2% year over year and met the Zacks Consensus Estimate. ETF Impact Despite a run of listless results from banks this week, the concerned ETFs buoyed up on the recent Fed-induced optimism. Most U.S. financial ETFs returned at least 1% since the earnings came out (as of October 15, 2015). All the aforementioned companies have considerable exposure in funds like the i Shares U.S. Financial Services ETF (NYSEARCA: IYG ) , the PowerShares KBW Bank Portfolio ETF (NYSEARCA: KBWB ) , the Financial Select Sector SPDR ETF (NYSEARCA: XLF ) , the iShares U.S. Broker-Dealers ETF (NYSEARCA: IAI ) and the Vanguard Financials ETF (NYSEARCA: VFH ) . All the funds are in green post big banks’ results, having returned in the range of 1─1.8% (as of October 15, 2015). It seems that investors are paying more heed to the market rally which could boost the weakling of this quarter – trading activities, going forward. The bond market is also displaying a strong trend on a dovish Fed and a delayed rate hike possibility. This could go in favor banks’ client activity in the fourth quarter. In any case, sooner or later, the U.S. economy is due for a lift-off and U.S. banks are now much more well-balanced than they were at the time of the last recession. All the aforementioned ETFs apart from IAI have a Zacks ETF Rank # 2 (Buy), sport compelling valuation and thus emerge as better plays than an individual stock pick. Link to the original post on Zacks.com

Q3 ETF Asset Flow Roundup

The third-quarter of 2015 was teeming with economic shockers that bulldozed risky investments worldwide but showered gains on some safe bids. While a hard landing fear in China was the actual culprit, a long-standing guesswork on the Fed’s liftoff timeline was a partner in crime. Yet, we admit that nothing could stand against the China issues that include sudden currency devaluation, multi-year low manufacturing data and a massive crash in the Chinese market. The resultant shockwaves, swooning commodities and the return of deflationary fears in the Euro zone also set the dark stage for the third quarter’s investing activity. The combined impact of these events led the SPDR S&P 500 Trust ETF (NYSEARCA: SPY ) , to lose about 7.7%, the PowerShares QQQ Trust ETF (NASDAQ: QQQ ) to shed 5.7% and the SPDR Dow Jones Industrial Average ETF (NYSEARCA: DIA ) to retreat about 8.4% in Q3. The iShares MSCI ACWI (All Country World Index) Index ETF (NASDAQ: ACWI ) was off about 9.8% in the quarter. Overall, the global market was quite disastrous for investors as most key indices endured the worst quarter in four years. In such a scenario, investors might thus want to check out the top and worst grossing ETFs of Q3 to see which products cashed in on the market crash and which lost out. Winners of Q3 The SPDR S&P 500 Trust ETF Though volatility rocked the show in the third quarter as China-led global growth fears and its ripples in the other emerging and developed economies muddled the market momentum, steady U.S. growth impressed investors. Also, the Fed’s reiteration of near zero interest rates at the end of the quarter resulted in strong inflows into the U.S. equity funds. The ultra-popular SPY led the way last month, gathering over $8.4 billion in capital. Not only SPY, another popular S&P 500 ETFs namely Vanguard S&P 500 ETF (NYSEARCA: VOO ) accumulated $4.45 billion in assets. U.S. Treasury Bonds – iShares 1-3 Year Treasury Bond ETF (NYSEARCA: SHY ) With the Fed still hesitating to hike the benchmark interest rates even almost after a decade, bond investing prevailed in Q3. Though September was a chancy month for the lift-off, a global market rout in August, a choppy global market and a still-low inflation level in the U.S. held the Fed back from catapulting a lift-off. This gave a big-time boost to the short-term U.S. Treasury bond ETFs. As a result, SHY garnered about $4.05 billion in assets in Q3. The SPDR Barclays 1-3 Month T-Bill ETF (NYSEARCA: BIL ) also piled up $1.66 billion in assets and made it to the top-10 asset scorers’ list (read: Guide to Interest Rate Hikes and ETFs: 4 Ways to Play ). Since the global macroeconomic environment was tumultuous in Q3, investors sought refuse in safe haven bids like intermediate-to-long term treasury ETFs. These offer investors safety along with a decent level of current income. Thanks to this sentiment, the iShares 7-10 Year Treasury Bond ETF (NYSEARCA: IEF ) and the iShares 20+ Year Treasury Bond ETF (NYSEARCA: TLT ) attracted about $2.40 billion and $1.65 billion of AUM during the quarter (read: ETF Winners & Losers Post Dovish Fed Meet ). Hedged Global – Deutsche X-trackers MSCI EAFE Hedged Equity ETF (NYSEARCA: DBEF ) The global economy may be lagging, but investors’ penchant for currency-hedged global equity ETF investing is not. The policy divergence stemmed from the looming Fed tightening and the easy money policies in most developed economies made hedged international investments a compelling opportunity for U.S. investors and led them to pour about $2.38 billion in assets in DBEF. Several other Europe-based ETFs including the iShares MSCI EMU ETF (NYSEARCA: EZU ) and the Vanguard FTSE Europe ETF (NYSEARCA: VGK ) hauled in respectively $1.7 billion and $1.6 billion assets in Q3. Top Losers Emerging Market – Vanguard FTSE Emerging Markets ETF (NYSEARCA: VWO ) Emerging markets were hard hit in Q3 thanks to the double whammy of China-induced worries and the Fed rate hike tensions. This clearly explains why two top-notch emerging market ETFs namely VWO and the iShares MSCI Emerging Markets ETF (NYSEARCA: EEM ) saw assets bleeding in the quarter. The funds, VWO and EEM saw outflows of about $3.44 billion and $2.79 billion respectively in the quarter. Un-hedged Global – iShares MSCI EAFE ETF (NYSEARCA: EFA ) Since sooner or later the Fed is due for a policy tightening, investors started to dump non currency-hedged international ETFs like EFA. The fund shed about $1.13 billion in assets in the quarter. Gold – SPDR Gold Trust ETF (NYSEARCA: GLD ) Gold has slipped to multi-year lows on a stronger dollar, a still-muted inflationary backdrop worldwide and the slowdown in China, which is one of the largest consumers of gold. Though the recent global market rout offered gold the much-needed respite for a brief session on the metal’s safe haven appeal, the underlying fundamentals are weak. So, investors abandoned this product in Q3, resulting in about $922 million in net outflows. Link to the original post on Zacks.com

AES Tiete’s (AESYY) CEO Britaldo Soares on Q1 2015 Results – Earnings Call Transcript

Executives Britaldo Soares – Chief Executive Officer, Vice Chairman of the Board, Member of the Executive Board Francisco Morandi – Chief Financial Officer, Director of Investor Relations, Member of the Board of Directors Andres Gluski – VP, Investor Relations Ricardo Cyrino – Energy Commercialization Director Analysts Sarunas Andriukaitis – Covalis Capital AES Tiete SA ADR ( OTCPK:AESYY ) Q1 2015 Earnings Conference Call May 11, 2015 10:00 AM ET Operator Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the conference call for AES Tiete SA operated by chorus do Brazil. In this conference call, we will be discussing the results for the first quarter of 2015. The IR area of AES Tiete also informs that the release is available at the company website at ri.aestiete.com.br. [Operator Instructions] On behalf of AES Tiete we would like to clarify that any statements that may be made during this conference call regarding the business outlook, projections and the company’s operating and financial targets are only predictions based on current expectations. Such expectations can change as a result of variables such as market conditions, economic performance, and international markets. The presentation can be downloaded on the website and will be made by Mr. Britaldo Soares, CEO; and Mr. Britaldo Soares , VP and IRO. At the end, the officers are available for questions. I would now like to give the floor to Mr. Britaldo Soares. Sir, you have the floor. Britaldo Soares Thank you very much. Good morning everyone. We will now start the presentation for AES Tiete’s first quarter of 2015. I will briefly summarize the main aspects and Britaldo Soares, our IRO and CFO, will provide you the general overview in more detail. Today we also have our VP for Generation, Ricardo Cyrino, and the VP for Operations and Generation, Italo Freitas, our VP for Legal Affairs and Auditing, Pedro Bueno, and our IR team for IRO. Going onto Slide 2, we have the highlights for the first quarter of 2015. The hydrological scenario is adverse, and we have had a negative dispatch and that has marked our market. The inflows was 64% and lower than the long-term target. The reservoirs closed at an average rate of 30.2% of their capacity, compared to 40.5% in the first quarter of 2014. The average reduction of the [ARM] was 20.7% compared to 3.9% in the first quarter of 2014. In consolidated terms, we had a generation of energy equivalent to 61% of the fiscal guarantee, and I would like to remind you that in the first quarter of 2014 this figure was 92% as the result of a very severe hydrological condition and this has been faced by the entire national network. We are still trying to improve our operational processes, and the management of our assets, AES Tiete, has become the first company in the Americas in the electricity sector to obtain the ISO 55000 in order for its asset management program of its hydropower plants, including the generation of its reservoir, and support schemes. Concerning the commercialization of energy we have sold in this quarter 9 megawatts to deliver in 2017 and between 2019 an average price of R$200 per megawatt hour. Our long-term vision for the 2017, 2019 period is between R$190 to R$200 per megawatt hour. As of 2020 the price should probably approach the marginal cost of inflation and would be around R$160 megawatt per hour. Our contraction position in Eletropaulo totaled 83%, 74% and 47% in 2004 and 2018 respectively, and this has given us more flexibility as of 2016. Moving onto Slide 3, we have the main points of our financial and economic results. The net revenue for this quarter totaled R$690 million, a reduction by 9% compared to the first quarter of ’14 due to mainly the lower volume of energy sold in the spot market, compensated by the larger volume of AES Eletropaulo and allied to the [GSE] and the strategy for seasonality. The price of energy bought at spot price impacted significantly the operational cost and expenses in order to cover the [ERM]. In terms of the cost, the manageable PMSO, we achieved a reduction of 16% compared to the first quarter of ’14. This reduction resulted from our efficiency measures, asset management and costs in the last year. Our EBITDA this quarter totaled 392 million, and this absorbed the impact of the reduction of the [ERM] and the effect of the seasonality between the first quarter of 2015 versus the first quarter of 2014. We closed the quarter with net income of R$200 million and we have approved and proposed to the board of directors the payment of R$122.4 million in dividends to be paid on May 25. Britaldo Soares will now take this presentation on and will talk – and give you more details on the AES Tiete performance. Francisco Morandi Thank you, Britaldo. Good morning everyone. We are now moving to Slide 4. You can see the evolution of the reservoirs and the thermal dispatch. You will see that in the first quarter of 2015 was 62% of the average, historical average and including the April it goes to 67% of the historical average. If you compare this performance to the inflow of 2014, which was 54%, you will see a reduction of 2 percentage points. Including the month of April the inflow was 68%. For your reference, the inflows recorded in the quarter for 2014 was 80% of the historical average. When we see the evolution of the reservoirs at the [SIN], we see that in March we attained 30% of the useful volume. The reservoirs today are at 35% capacity. On the right-hand side of the slide, we have the evolution of the reservoirs and the thermal dispatch in the last years. You can see that the thermal dispatch is still high totaling 17.5 gigawatts in the first quarter for 2015, the same volume for the first quarter of 2014, and higher than the last period of last year. If you go on to Slide 5, you can see the main information on the level of reservoirs in AES Tiete and the generated energy. You can see that the volume of reservoirs of our plants closed the quarter with 59% compared to 44% in the first quarter of 2014. The position today is of 74% of reservoirs today. You can see on the chart that there was an improvement in terms of the reservoir levels of the main plants of the company, however, in the south-east market, in the center, west you can see that there was a fall at the reservoir levels in the first quarter of 2015 if we compare with the same period of last year, closing at 33% in the first quarter of 2014 and 19% in the first quarter of ’15. The inflow observed in this region was 58% of the [LMT], and 74% in the fourth quarter of ’14. Compared to inflows observed in this quarter with the same quarter of last year, you can see that there was slight improvement because the inflow of last year’s first quarter was 52%. Now turning to energy generated, you can see the thermal dispatch in the southeast and center, west when compared to generation in the same period of last year. As a reflex we have against 1994 and 1292, which is equivalent to 60% of the secured energy for Tiete. On Slide 6, we have some possible scenarios in term of reservoir levels for 2015, considering several possibilities in terms of the loads, the reduction of the loads. As a result of internal assessments we see that the rationing risk in 2015 is reduced at 8% concerning a reduction in the loads of 0.5% to 1%. The company believes that the price on the spot market will remain at a ceiling of R$388.46 per megawatt hour across and throughout the year and that the thermal dispatch will total 16 gigawatts to 17 gigawatts average. The [GSS] for 2015 is estimated between 0.81 and 0.83. In the next slide, number 7, you will see the reduction in the [ARM] for 2015. The reduction verified in the first quarter of 2015 was 20.7%. This amount was superior to the amount recorded for the first quarter of last year, which was 3.9% as a result both of the increase of the thermal dispatch and of the seasonality strategy in the market. Concerning our hydrological projections for 2015, we’re forecasting the maintenance of a high level of reduction in the [MRE]. As a result, we are reviewing our GSS and a possible impact in EBITDA for the year. The provision for the thermal dispatch should be at 16% to 17% at [Indiscernible], and this will total a stock price of top R$388 throughout 2015. The company also produced that between their exchange of the subsystems and the intermission generations, the load that should previously grow by 0.7% should be reduced by 0.5% to 1%. As a result, the company has reduced its estimate and expects a reduction by 17% to 19% as we have said of [GSS] between 0.83 that will maybe result in an impact, negative impact of 750 million to 840 million in EBITDA in 2015. Unidentified Company Representative On the next slide we see the specific results both for billed energy or invoiced energy and for net revenue. The company’s billed energy grew 1% compared quarter-on-quarter mainly due to the increase of built energy with the contract with AES Eletropaulo, which is partially offset in the spot market and other bilateral contracts. The net revenue in the first quarter in turn totaled R$690 million in the first quarter, 9% down from the same period of last year due to the seasonality strategy and also due to the [GSS]. On the next slide, Slide 9, we are talking about cost. The light blue part in the chart shows mainly the impact of cost on the purchase of energy in the first quarter of 2015 when compared to the first quarter of 2014. As we can see, the growth of cost in the first quarter of this year is related to the higher purchase of energy in the spot market, despite the fact that we had a lower price when compared to the same period of last year. The important piece of news is that if we continue to intensify our efficiency gain initiatives and also be in line with our guidance, which was published in the end of 2014, we have reduced PMSO, the Manageable PMSO by 16% in the first quarter when compared to the first quarter of last year. The process review, also internalization of labor and services and also the reassessment of administrative costs were the main drivers leading to that reduction level. All efforts are in line with our strategic guidelines for disciplined execution and efficiency in the use of resources. For 2015, the company will continue to work so that the Manageable PMSO will grow zero when compared to the year 2014. Moving onto Slide 10, you can see that the EBITDA for the first quarter totaled R$392 million as opposed to R$594 million in the first quarter of last year. And this quarter the company recorded a net income of R$200 million vis-à-vis R$358 million in the first quarter of 2014. The main drivers for that performance in the quarter are the reduction in the period, the seasonality strategy even with gains in manageable cost and increase in the contract price with Eletropaulo. The company’s board of directors approved last Friday a dividend payout of R$122.4 million. That corresponds to 100% of distribution days. On Slide 11, we will be talking about investments. Investments in the first quarter totaled R$30 million, when compared to R$37 million invested in the first quarter 2014. Most of that were allocated to the modernization and maintenance of Agua Vermelha, Bariri, Barra Bonita, and [Indiscernible] plants. Additionally on the same slide, we can see our investment plan for the 2015-2019 cycle with investments at R$487 million, mainly allocated to modernization and maintenance of the company’s power plants. On the next slide, Slide 12, you will see that the generation of cash flow was at R$101 million driven by higher purchase of energy in the spot market, also reflective of the reduction of fiscal guarantee, and [Indiscernible] when compared to 2014. Now free cash in the first quarter of ’15 was negative at R$221 million as opposed to R$164 positive in the first quarter of last year. With that our final cash position in the first quarter is R$280 million. Moving on to the next slide, you will see that the company’s leverage level closed the first quarter at 1.9x, reflecting again the seasonality, and also due to the reduction in the period. Our net debt closed the quarter at R$1.4 billion as opposed to R$0.8 million in the first quarter of 2014 mainly due to the issuance of the second promissory note at R$500 million, which would be partially used to amortize debt throughout the year. The company amortized the last installment of the first debenture issuance, 120 million were paid on March 31 and R$180 million were paid on April 1. One Slide 14, we see the contracting level for the company’s own energy. The company has signed more contracts in the first quarter of 2015 with a volume of approximately 9 megawatt average at an average price of R$200 per megawatt hour, and an average term of three years. After those sales, the contract level reached 83%, in 2016 74%, in 2017, also 74%, and then 47% in 2018, which places the company in a very comfortable position and prepared to face any scenario, which should come after the end of the contract with Eletropaulo, which will happen at the end of this year 2015. As it was anticipated by Britaldo, our price expectation for the period ranging from 2017 through 2019 is very strong R$190 and R$200 per megawatt hour. Starting in 2020, prices will come closer to the marginal cost of system expansion, sitting at around R$160 per megawatt hour. I will give the floor back to Britaldo for his final remarks. Thank you. Britaldo Soares Thank you, Francisco. As you could see, during the presentation our hydrological conditions have stayed below our historical average, so that adverse scenario and high levels of thermal dispatch resulted in a lowering of the fiscal guarantee of the [ERM], which led to a higher purchase of this in the spot market, and that in turn affected the results of the company in the first quarter. We carry on looking for more efficiency in our operations as we see a drop of 60% in manageable cost, which was referenced by Francisco during the presentation. That is one sign of our efforts and also through an improvement of our operating processes such as those including maintenance of our assets, which are now being recognized by the ISO 55,001and relative to our contracting strategy our contract portfolio after 2015 will remain consistent. We should reach a level of 83% in 2016, 74% in 2017 and 47% in 2018. As Francisco also said in the end, our vision is for a price range for 3 year contracts of around R$190 through R$/200 per megawatt power for the 2017-2019 period and looking in the longer term 2020 and on we are looking at a price at around R$160. We will now move to the Q&A session and we will be available for your comments and doubts. Thank you very much. Question-and-Answer Session Operator Ladies and gentlemen we will now start the Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Lilian Yang [ph] from UBS. Unidentified Analyst Hi, thank you for the call. I’d like to know if you have any ongoing negotiation on the generators parts containing GSF, which is very high for this year and if you have any forecast for that GSF level for next year as well. Thank you. Britaldo Soares Thank you Lilian this is Britaldo speaking. I’ll ask Ricardo Cyrino to address your question then I’ll add my comments at the end. Please Cyrino you have the floor. Ricardo Cyrino As for the GSF, our proposal consists of restricting the economic impact taken on by generating companies to a certain level. For example 5% and we are also assessing alternatives to mitigate whatever exceeds that level. In our view there is a series of variables, which are out of the control of the generating companies and which will interfere in the dispatch level. For example, from a dispatch for electricity, safety and also the out of merit dispatchers or dispatchers which are not taking place in a centralized way and also variations in consumption that slowed down consumption. In fact generating companies to the extent that we do not have a good reservoir level. So the term of dispatch is maintained and thermoelectric generation absorbs that reduction. Just to give you an idea, the out of merit dispatch for this year is expected to reach something about 7% in terms of lowering that will impact the reduction for generating companies by 7%. So it is essential for us to establish a limiting level for that and that will also help us to allocate costs that occasionally exceed those levels. So that we can share risks and benefits of that scenario. Unidentified Analyst Okay thank you. Can you give an idea of the level of out of merit generation for last year, do you have that number at hand? Ricardo Cyrino I do not have it in here, but I can get it for you, the out of merit generation for last year. Unidentified Analyst Okay. Thank you. Britaldo Soares Liliana this is Britaldo. Cyrino gave you an overview of what we have been discussing. Of course, there is a very positive aspect to emphasize which is the following: When we start to demolish tree of mines and energy and when we talk to the regulatory agency, we see a clear concern on the part of the ministry and the other part of the regulatory agency, to deal with the GSF issue because of the impact it has on generating company. It is a relevant impact and as we said to date it is recognized by everyone and that is no doubt an evolution in the process and of course there are challenges for us to implement a solution. But I can tell you that today as we see it, there is genuine interest on the part of the ministry, on the part of Aneao, they are getting ready to start the public hearing period as you know to deal with this issue. So then what concerns the mechanism itself, we have several ongoing discussions, there are several points which were raised during this discussion, some of them are with more resonance of this plants, resonance and that’s typical of that type of situation when you are discussing how to adjust such a relevant impact. But again clearly what you can see is that both the ministry and the regulatory agency trying to converge in terms of finding a solution to tackle that impact of the GSF on generation. What I can tell you now is that we have high expectations that this will be resolved, hopefully with the special mechanisms still to be fine, okay. Operator The next question comes from Sarunas Andriukaitis from Covalis Capital, and it’s a web question. Sarunas Andriukaitis What is the status for the restructuring of Brasiliana, is there an update concerning the schedule of the process? Britaldo Soares Sarunas, when we have any change, news on the Brasiliana issue we will announce this to the market that everything we have already said in a previous announcements and any new negotiations between shareholders that results an impact AES Tiete, we will duly announce it to the market. Operator The next question comes from [indiscernible]. Unidentified Analyst Good morning everyone, thank you for the call. I have a question about the strategy of the commercialization of the company. This 83% level, is it the ceiling for this year compared to the contracted level and concerning the strategy that the company has, there is low level of contracted energy recorded, is this a trend or should we expect an increase for the following quarters? Britaldo Soares Thank you Rafael, I will give the floor to Ricardo Cyrino and I will make any comments at the end if necessary. Ricardo Cyrino For 2016, in a situation we have today for the reservoirs in April, be closing at 35% and the certainty that we have in terms of hydrology, how the reservoirs will be in the rain period, the idea is to keep at this level of this contracting level for a flexibility in 2016. And as we see the development of the conditions of the system we may change this level but for the time being we are seeking to contract the period after 2016, for contracts beginning in 2017, in order to welcome the contracted levels as of that date. Britaldo Soares Okay Rafael thank you very much. Operator [Operator Instructions] The next question comes from [indiscernible] from UBS. Unidentified Analyst Hi, this is [indiscernible] again. One question about your thermal project. You have said recently that you could be participating in the five options for the gas thermal plants at San Paulo plant. How do you see gas prices behaving and what kind of structure will you need should you decide to do it. Thank you. Andres Gluski Ricardo Cyrino, can you please address question? Ricardo Cyrino Sure. We have our main project is, which called thermal power which was certified by the A Minus 5 auction [ph] but because of the gas concept that we have, we were structuring a contracting of liquefied gas, importantly liquefied gas and then we will be terminals and the float will be paying for that using that cost structure did not fit the filling price, which was defined as 2.81 per kilowatt hour. That’s why we did not participate on the A minus five auction on last April. But we are trying to develop new alternatives, going through new negotiations so that we could have a project which would be closer to that price level and of course we are also waiting for the government agencies to recognize that if we have to bring the gas from a part if we do not have an associated terminal that cost structure needs to be reviewed. Unidentified Analyst Okay just to understand. So, it’s not become moderately priced but the structure price that terminals and everything, right? Ricardo Cyrino Mainly, I’d say that issue arise at the whole scenery when you add other causes in the chain for the gas under that solution we do not have [indiscernible]. Unidentified Analyst Okay. Thank you. Britaldo Soares We want to just to compliment to Ricardo, we need to carry on working, to adapt those costs parameters through that reality so that we can maximize the use of those installations for regasification, so we know it has been working on it. And the idea is that we are able to make that structure feasible in terms of costs and that would of course make other projects feasible in the end. Unidentified Analyst Okay. Thank you. Operator The next question comes from [indiscernible] Unidentified Analyst I would like to talk again about the GSS and I know that the scenario we’re still looking for developments and the negotiations. But in your scenario, is the idea that any change in 2015 will affect the year or would it be as of a new methodology is developed or even if anything concerning last year, since last year we did have a dispatch and a level risk above the model and I’d like to understand a little bit more about and hear from you what could be considered seeing that what has already affected the last [indiscernible] the generators. Andres Gluski Obviously Eduardo that in our discussions and within the definitions and concept we have been discussing and that have been explained by Ricardo Cyrino this leads us to discussing what has already happened of the impact that has been felt by the generators. So there is retroaction. Therefore we are discussing a retroactive aspect of a solution that has to encompass things that have already taken place. No shadow of doubt in terms of that. In terms of practical view this will all depend of the final understanding of would this be in 2015, if this will go back and retract to 2014, because in fact what we are discussing the concepts they are not specific to the years 2014 or 2015 but they address the problem of the reduction of the GSF and the causes of this as Ricardo listed. So, it’s a conceptual discussion and as of that you then develop your line of thoughts. Obviously that in the negotiation of the process, it may be defined that there is a starting day for this but being very pragmatic, yes there is wish to have a very attractive affects but the starting point in practice will depend in my point of view, from a final understanding and of all the process that is taking place to discuss this at the ministry or at the regulator. Unidentified Analyst And Britaldo, do you have an idea when this will be finished? Britaldo Soares I believe that today, we are focusing a lot both on the part of the regulator, both the ministry as well. But it’s very hard to say of a certain period or a time, it may take place in the first semester, yes but it really depends on the solution. It’s a matter that if some more complex and depending on the shrug shared measures there maybe measures necessary that take time. So, it’s very hard to say but I see that the matter is developing at a much better pace today and with much more efforts from the point of view of the ministry and effort done in the past. But even so it’s difficult to say a date because these things mature and they consolidate slowly, and it’s a solution that is complex. Unidentified Analyst Thank you. Operator The next question comes from [indiscernible]. Unidentified Analyst I would like to understand the cost a little better, we see better numbers for cost this quarter did any nonrecurring item worth mentioning took place? Andres Gluski Thank you André I’ll ask Morandi to address your question. Please Morandi. Britaldo Soares Thank you. Basically, Andre we saw reduction in maintenance cost. This happened this quarter and impacted reduction PMSO. Unidentified Analyst So, again we could see those figures at the same level going forward, am I right? Britaldo Soares I think looking PMSO what we followed and we maintained the guidance so to keep those cost in real terms of those levels, yes. Unidentified Analyst Okay. Then there could be better way to look at PMSO lookout going forward. Andres Gluski Thank you for your question. Operator Thus again, we see no more question, I’d like to give the call back to Soares for his final remarks. Britaldo Soares Thank you all for participating in this call we are as always for other queries or comments you may have, the whole team of IRO team they’re always available at your disposal. Once again thank you and have a nice day. Operator AES Tiete’s conference call is now over. Thank you all for participating and have a nice day. Thank you. Copyright policy: All transcripts on this site are the copyright of Seeking Alpha. However, we view them as an important resource for bloggers and journalists, and are excited to contribute to the democratization of financial information on the Internet. 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