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Vestas Wind Systems’ (VWDRY) CEO Anders Runevad on Q2 2015 Results – Earnings Call Transcript

Executives Anders Runevad – Group President & CEO Marika Fredriksson – EVP & CFO Analysts David Vos – Barclays Pinaki Das – Bank of America Merrill Lynch Claus Almer – Carnegie Alok Katre – Societe Klaus Kehl – Nykredit Markets Sean McLoughlin – HSBC Shai Hill – Macquarie Patrik Setterberg – Nordea Jose Arroyas – Exane Vestas Wind Systems A/S ADR ( OTCPK:VWDRY ) Q2 2015 Earnings Conference Call August 19, 2015 4:00 AM ET Anders Runevad So, good morning, everyone and welcome to this second quarter report. As usual, I appreciate everyone that has called in. So let us start the usual disclaimer statement, and then – let me then start with the highlights overall. I’m really satisfied with the quarter. It is a strong execution on our profitable growth strategy. Order intake really strong at approximately 3 gigawatts, up 56% year-over-year. The order backlog close to €17 billion, actually the largest order backlog ever for Vestas, also very encouraging. The value creation continues, ROIC increased to 55%, also that on record level. Earnings continued to improve, EBIT before special items over €145 million, up 39% year-on-year, and also a continued strong cash flow impacting by an increasing cash flow from operating activities. So, again a lot of highlights in the quarter and a very strong execution. As usual then, the agenda for today, I will start talking about orders and markets, Marika, our CFO, will guide you through the financials, and then I will come back on the summary and outlook, and then we will open for Q&A. So let me start then with the regulatory environment that we view as generally supportive. We see strong support or solid support both for renewable energy and ambition to reduce CO2 levels. Starting then with Americas, the Tax Extenders Bill, including a two year PTC extension passed in the Senate finance committee with a solid majority vote. This is the first step and there are more to come, but it is a positive signal. Also a bit more long-term, the President Obama’s Clean Power Plan to reduce the carbon emission by 32% by 2030 is more a long-term positive signal. Looking at the EMEA region then, Germany, as we have talked before, continues the transition from a set feed-in tariff system to an auction system. The draft paper has been released, and what is positive is that the renewable energy ambitions are intact. In France, a new energy law was passed that will cut greenhouse gas emissions to 40% by 2030, and estimates are that that will be bring renewable to 32%. On the negative side is in the UK, where the government has proposed to end the onshore support one year earlier than previously planned. In Asia-Pacific, we have had almost two years of uncertainty as the RET targets has been discussed. What is positive now is that the target has been adopted by the Australian parliament and that should mean that we see some increased activity in that market. [Indiscernible], I would say China, India and several other markets we see a continued support for renewables. As I said, order intake, one of the key highlights for the quarter, very strong at 3 gigawatts and a 56% increase year-over-year. US offshore, the 3 MW platform, Mexico, Germany and Chile were the main contributors in Q2, accounting for almost 80% of the increase. If you look at the average selling prices of order intake in million euro per megawatt, we see a stable development in the quarter as we have seen actually in the last several quarters. You should remember that price per megawatt depends on a number of different factors, the scope, the turbine type, and of course, the uniqueness of the offering. Moving on down through order intake, we see improvement mainly in Latin America, US offshore, Poland and China, but I must say very broad-based we see good progress on order intake from a number of different markets. If you look at the first half, let me start with Americas, up 74%, so very solid growth driven by US, Brazil, Mexico and Chile and in the quarter then up 81%, so actually even stronger. EMEA also very positive development, for the first half up 37%, again driven by offshore, Nordics, Poland, Turkey and Germany and also in the quarter then up 53%. Asia Pacific, from a lower level up 24% for the first half of the year, again as I talked about during Q1, to a large extent due to China. And then in the quarter then a smaller quarter for Asia Pacific, so down 67%. Also worth mentioning that new markets for Vestas in top 5 for the first half is Brazil, Poland and China. A key competitive advantage for us is our global reach. I have talked to that before, and that is something that we all leverage on and we will continue to leverage going forward. Also proven in the first half, where we have taken 4.8 gigawatts of orders, very well balanced and broad in 27 countries and 5 continents. What enables our global reach besides our manufacturing footprint, and of course, the market presence in services, is really our broad well proven product portfolio. Our order intake was fairly equal between all 2 MW and 3 MW portfolio for the first half. And Vestas offers a broad range of turbines for all wind classes. On the 2 MW side, we have four models actively selling in the market, where we see a very solid demand, especially the V110, that is a flagship model, in the US. On the 3 MW platform, we have five models, with different power ratings, rotor size, and we continue to develop this platform, for example the V126, a perfect match for [Indiscernible] for medium to low wind. And also with features that fulfils specific market requirements, such as the [Indiscernible] large diameter steel towers and this is also part of the offshore application and offering. Traditionally 3 MW has been used in land constrained markets. But with increased energy production and cost efficiency we see a clear trend, where 3 MW is taking share in more traditional 2 MW markets, and one such an example is in Q2, where we have taken a number of big 3 MW orders in the US, a traditional 2 MW market, and we see – we expect this trend to continue. Looking at delivery then was up 35% in the first half. Sorry, the microphone was a bit – so I have adjusted that now. Hope you can hear me. So as I said delivery up 35% for the first half, solid growth in Americas and Asia-Pacific and EMEA stable. Starting with Americas then, up 85% six month and 151% quarter-on-quarter, very much driven by the US, up almost 650 MW. EMEA, as I said stable. Talked about Germany last call, and as expected we see a slight decline in the German market on delivery this year, but at the same time that is compensated with the increases in markets such as Turkey, Finland, Italy, and we should of course remember that we continue to see an overall good level in more mature markets like France and Germany. Actually in Q2, Turkey was our biggest market in EMEA when it comes to delivery, again showing the importance of a global reach. In Asia-Pacific, we saw solid development both in the first half and in the quarter, up 162% and 69% driven by primarily China and to some extent Australia. As I talked about before, we sit on a order backlog that is the highest ever, close to €17 billion and we see an increase of €1.9 billion, turbines on €1.3 billion and services on €0.6 billion. Some more words then about the US market, we continue to see a very high activity level, and I am very confident with all precision in the US market. We have frame agreements with a potential of up to 2.3 gigawatts, and year-to-date order intake is 1.7 gigawatts, approximately 40% within the frame agreements and therefore 60% outside. Looking at the Mitsubishi Vestas Offshore Wind performance, we see also positive development. It is well received by the customers and we can see that in the order situation with firm orders of 681 MW, conditional orders close to 500 MW, and also announced the third supplier agreement of 1.8 gigawatts. We’re also progressing according to plan. I have talked about before that the basis for the joint venture was a milestone agreement with both technical and commercial milestones that has now been fulfilled. There is actually just one payment left of the 12.5, so all other milestones has been met. Manufacturing is ramping up of the V164 8 MW and the Burbo Bank project will be the first and installation is expected to start in the beginning of ’16. So with that I will leave over to the financials and Marika. Marika Fredriksson Thank you, Anders. So if we have a look at the income statement and some of the KPIs that we have for the company, you can see that the earnings continued to improve in the quarter. We had a revenue increase of 30% compared to last year that is obviously driven by the higher volume but also impact from currency. And when I talk about income from currency, you will recall that it is translation impact as we report in euro. The gross profit in absolute values obviously improved by the volume by 21%. We continue to deliver a solid gross profit in the quarter of 18%, although lower compared to last year, but again that was an exceptional quarter in terms of positive mix. Fixed cost, we will get back to in one of the coming slides, but we continue to deliver well and leveraging our fixed cost effort in previous years, so the primary increase comes from currency, but also higher activity level in the company. Consequently we deliver a higher EBIT before special items, and that leads us to an EBIT margin of 8.3% compared to 7.8% last year. Net profit also you see a good improvement of 33% in absolute values. I should just mention here also on the income from investments, that is our joint venture with Mitsubishi, that Anders just took you through, and you have a slight profit in the joint venture in itself, but the primary part is really that the project we have sold to the joint-venture now has a transfer of risk and consequently you will see a positive impact, but it is still below EBIT and we are just following the accounting principles here. So that leads me to how we leverage on the fixed cost. We have, as we have spoke about previously a very tight control of our fixed cost. We have increased activity level continuously since we took down the cost, so you saw a higher activity level in 2014 and that also continues now in ’15. Despite that we have a very tight control of our fixed capacity costs and we are now down to 8.4% of revenue. So the primary increase really comes from currency as I just alluded to earlier and to some extent also from the higher activity level, but we are very happy with the performance. If you go to the service margin, you will see the service increased compared to last year by 20%, and as you remember that is one of the key parameters in our strategy going forward. So we definitely continue to execute on that strategy. Margins are solid. We have an EBIT before special items of 16.8%. Please bear in mind here that we have some one-timers in the cost and as the revenue in the service business is smaller than the turbine business, a 2 million to 3 million extraordinary item in the fixed capacity cost has an impact. But that is the primary reason for a slightly lower margin. You will see continue to see fluctuations in the quarter, but we deliver a high solid margin in the service business. We have a very strong order backlog and that continues to grow. As you saw on Anders previous flight, we also have an average duration of the service order of approximately 8 years. So a very good lifecycle security in the service backlog. If we go to the balance sheet, which is obviously also one of the parameters that we are tracking and continuously improve, we have a very strong balance sheet right now, and we have a big focus on the balance sheet. We have great performance as you can see on the net working capital, we are in negative territory despite the high activity level in the company. I will come back to some of the details in that improvement. You will also see that we have net debt that is very positive. So we are definitely tracking on our key parameters for the company. We also have a solvency ratio that improved compared to ’14, we haven’t still met our target of 35% with a very solid improvement and solvency ratio obviously also have an impact as we have a very portion of prepayments in the company right now because of high order intake. I will come back to the overall cash at hand in one of the coming slides, but very good performance both on the P&L and the balance sheet. If we go to some of the changes you see in the net working capital, I have said to you before that we continue the working capital project. We have been very good in keeping our tight control from previous years, when we were more challenged. So we have not changed the approach. The work in progress, in particular the process for work in progress, has stayed and continues to be very good. In the last three months, and also the last 12 months, we because of high activity level have a high portion of prepayments. We also have a high portion of payables and obviously that helps our working capital. So a very, very positive development. It has improved more than we have anticipated to be very clear. Warranty provisions, which is on the next page and the lost production factor continues at a good level. You see that we are providing more than what we consume. Just to be very specific here, we follow the same principle that we had in 2014. So there is no changes to the percentage that we provide for in 2015. The lost production factor is a reflection of our good quality work that we have in the company, and we continue our journey to be below 2% on a very consistent basis. If you look at the cash flow statement, and here I also said in the last quarter that you see the cash flow from operating activities continues to be the main contributor. Obviously that has been the focus area for us and you also see the change in net working capital here having a positive impact. I should just say here that this is excluding any currency. So it is free from currency on the working capital. And free cash flow that we deliver is consequently 183 million. The cash flow from financing activities is primarily our payment of dividend in April. If you go to the total investments, we announced in Q1 that we had an intention of increasing to 3.50. We’re trailing below that as of now, but we have anticipated that we will consume the 3.50 that we have put forward. That again is primary to meet our high activity level and the high demand in the market right now. And it is primary investments in [molds], so as you remember, the [molds] are movable, but it is also in our R&D and the capitalized R&D is approximately one third of the Capex that you see. The capital structure, you will remember, the two targets we have, net debt to EBITDA below 1 and also solvency ratio of 35. As you see, we’re tracking well on the net debt to EBITDA. The solvency ratio is lower than 35%. We are still happy with the two targets, and we also understand and respect that we have a very strong balance sheet at this point. Obviously with a strong balance sheet we have a lot of flexibility, we also have a big and solid possibility to execute on our strategy and invest in the strategy if need be. And what you can see now is that we have calculated and are confident on the cash we need over the cycles. So it is not a short-term cash need. It is over the cycle, and we will consequently have excess cash that will be primarily invested in the execution of the strategy. Having said that, we are not ruling out a dividend or a share buyback. The next slide show I would say the amazing journey on the return on invested capital. We are approaching 55%. This is a consequence of the focus on earnings and also the balance sheet improvement that you have seen in the past. So 54.6% is the accurate number for the quarter. So a very, very good performance that we are very happy with. By that I leave the summary and outlook to Anders. Anders Runevad Thank you, Marika. So let me then summarize the quarter. So again a strong quarter executing on our strategy. We will look at all four strategic objectives starting with growth in mature and emerging markets and growth in the market see a very good performance, high order intake and largest ever combined order backlog. On the service business, also good progress on the strategy of growing the service business more than 30% midterm, a good increase in revenue in the quarter, backlog increasing, and we see a good trend on the average duration of our service contracts. On the reduced level of cost of energy, which is of course, all about the competitiveness of our portfolio, we see a strong performance across both the 2 MW and 3 MW platforms, and as I said it is important for Vestas and it is important to have a offering for all different wind classes. On R&D, we continue to invest as we have done before in new releases of both of our platforms. We have a number of operational excellence programs, of course, ultimately with the aim to improve earning capability and we see the value creation continue with ROIC at 55%. [Indiscernible] And also a well-managed operation during high activity levels. All in all, we continue to leverage on our key three competitive advantages, global reach, technology and service leadership and scale. And to summarize this after Q2, on the global reach side, we are present in 74 counties across all wind classes. On technology and services, as I talked about, the depth of our product portfolio is what enables this global reach and the lost production factor firmly now below 2%, we feel is industry leading, and it is of course a combination of the quality of our product and the service offering. And on the scale, we’re now at approximately 70 gigawatts of installed base and of course a very solid order backlog. Moving on to the outlook and outlook is unchanged from the upgrade we made in May this year, and we also maintain a minimum guidance on revenue, EBIT and cash flow. So for revenue, a minimum €7.5 billion, service business as before, also unchanged, I expect it to continue to grow. EBIT margin before special items of minimum 8.5% and here also as before the service business is expected to have stable margins. Total investment approximately €350 million and a free cash flow of minimum €600 million. And as , the dividend policy we have and the board’s intention is to recommend a dividend of 25% to 30% of the net result of the year. So with that we are ending the presentation and can start the Q&A. Question-and-Answer Session Operator Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from the line of [Indiscernible] of Danske Bank. Please go ahead with your questions. Your line is open. Unidentified Analyst Yes, thank you. First question is regarding free cash flow, if we look at the past two years, you have delivered a much stronger free cash flow in the second half of the year, versus the first year free cash flow guidance of at least 600 million, so implicitly to reach that lower end of the minimum level you are guiding for a lower cash flow in the second half. I understand that it is the minimum guidance, so my question is there anything that makes you believe that this seasonal pattern in inventory we have seen in the past few years will not be repeated this year, or anything else that would drag down free cash flow in the second half of the year? Marika Fredriksson Well, first of all, if you look at the working capital as we have highlighted before, the focus continues, and as I said, we have performed even better than we have anticipated for this year. So clearly all the activities that we have in the working capital and primarily the process changes we see in the work in progress have really improved the overall situation. We have – because of high order intake we have a large proportion of down payments. We also have a higher payable because of simply high activity level in the company. So in a way we have as I said performed better. We obviously see what we always see in the second half, a very high activity level. That high activity level causes some – for us to be a bit cautious because you will see weather having an impact, you will grid having an impact, so the minimum 600 is as you have stated, a minimum guidance, but it is also a best estimate for what we know right now. But first half has certainly performed better than we anticipated. Unidentified Analyst Okay, then my second question is regarding the profit from the MHI Vestas joint venture, these 27 million, can you help us understand what volume lies behind this deliveries with transfer of risk that you mentioned? Marika Fredriksson I am not sure about the exact value, but if you recall, we had a negative impact when we sold the projects and it is the 3 MW obviously to the joint venture of approximately 30 million on the items below the EBIT, and as they now have – I don’t have this exact value for you, but I am sorry for that, but to give you some perspective, we had a profit in the joint-venture of approximately 8 million, so we obviously had our 50% of that included in the 27, but the vast majority is really transfer of risk, but I don’t have the exact project for you. So you can return to IR. They would have – be able to provide that. Unidentified Analyst Sure, and then what should we expect for the full year on this line? Marika Fredriksson We haven’t anticipated because that will obviously be more of a joint-venture as it doesn’t reflect on our EBIT. Unidentified Analyst Okay. Thank you. Marika Fredriksson Thank you. Operator Our next question is from the line of [Indiscernible]. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Unidentified Analyst Thanks a lot. My first question relates to the gross margin development, sales up 30% and cost of goods sold up 30%, normally we would expect to see a bit more leverage when sales improve, this development that we are seeing here in Q2, is this a reflection of a can you say, not too fortunate mix in the quarter or is it more a reflection of Q2 last year being extremely strong? Marika Fredriksson Well, I would say it is a combination of both. So clearly last year we had very, very good performance. This year we have a good volume, but less favorable mix. So the volume clearly offset some of the good impact from the higher volume that we see, but still bear in mind that the 18% that we deliver is a really solid margin although lower compared to last year. Unidentified Analyst [Indiscernible] Second question, you mentioned that you are seeing a fairly stable enterprise for MW development, but we have seen some of your competitors talk a bit about pricing pressure, can you give a few comments on what you see in the market and in competitive behavior in a broader perspective also, thanks? Anders Runevad Yes, now but you are right. We – overall, of course, we see a solid market across many different countries. When it comes to the price levels, we see stable pricing and so I can’t really speak for the competition, but what we see is stable pricing overall, and no specific geographical differences either, so actually across the markets. Unidentified Analyst But are you sensing that your competitors are trying to catch orders through pricing in a more aggressive way than maybe six months ago? Anders Runevad No, not generically speaking. I mean, of course, you will always have projects here and there, but nothing that you can see as a trend or anything like that. No. Unidentified Analyst Okay, thank you. Operator We now go to the line of David Vos at Barclays. Please go ahead. Your line is open. David Vos Good morning to both. I have two questions if I may, you made reference to having done some calculations around the cash levels that are very good for the business, I may have missed a number there, but if you haven’t given that already could you kind of indicate where you see that kind of normalized cash level that will be helpful. And my second question is around the quite positive remarks you made on the front of the regulatory support that the wind industry continues to enjoy, to my mind that now takes away some of the volatility that we have seen in the past to a degree at least. My question to you is does that also mean that you would perhaps be more willing to commit to some longer term targets as the visibility has increased? Marika Fredriksson Okay. If we start with your first question, I guess that what you are referring to is the working capital? David Vos No, I actually I heard you say that you have done some calculations about the cash level that is required in the business. Marika Fredriksson Okay, sorry. Then I misunderstood you. Yes, I did. Obviously internally we have done that calculation. I will not share that fully transparently with you, but we have a cash level that we are happy with over the cycle and we will continue to be prudent. It is a cash intense business when you start consuming cash. But we will certainly have excess cash is what I was very clear on that. We will be invested in our strategic targets and enable us to execute further on the strategy. But we’re not as I said also ruling out a dividend and a share buyback from Vestas side. That is not entirely a management decision. As it will be a board decision, but we are not ruling out that. David Vos Okay, maybe as a follow-up for the second question then, investing in the business and into the strategy, how do we think about that, where would that money be deployed, and is that purely an organic strategy or will that perhaps also have an inorganic component to it? Marika Fredriksson Well, primarily what we’re looking at and also what you see us deliver operationally is organic growth and organic growth is our primary focus. So when I talk about investing in the business it is primarily to deliver and execute on the strategy organically. But you also know that we have certain focus areas where we have less presence, so you would see countries like India, we have started investing in Brazil, for example. So there is definitely places where we can continue to invest and further execute on the strategy. David Vos Excellent. Anders Runevad A bit about your second question, on the regulatory support, so that is definitely what we see, a stronger support for renewable in most markets, not all, but in most markets, and of course we also have a bit more for the longer term, the COP21 coming up. Having said that it is, of course, very, very hard to forecast political support. It also tends to change every now and again, depending on the political parties or the [Indiscernible] support, of course it is something that is very, very hard to forecast for the future, but again if I look at the current regulatory environment it is positive. Some of that are very concrete that we of course, also discussed, like for example, the support mechanism in individual countries to [say] international levels and so on. And some of these things are of course much more long-term ambitious than hard targets that we can translate to renewable market share. But it’s moving in the right direction, what we also should remember, it moves in the right direction at the same time is of course the competitiveness and we then – and that is for us then the primary focus. I am a strong believer of controlling what you can control and influence where you have the most influence and what we can do in order to have a market that is easier to predict also long-term and of course increase the market share is to continue to drive down the cost of energy for wind. And that’s of course the other part and that plays a big role in our strategy. We will — as every year do strategy seminar in September where we look ahead for the next three years. And if we after that have anything else to share on that we will definitely do so. David Vos Many thanks. Operator Next question is from the line of Pinaki Das of Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead, your line is open. Pinaki Das Hey good morning. Good morning everybody. Thanks for taking my questions. My first question is on guidance, you’ve kept your guidance unchanged I guess the market is sort of looking — not sort of very happy about that guidance that you haven’t changed the guidance despite actually having very good performance in the first half. So, I just wanted to either check a couple of things if somebody has already asked about the [CF] clearly looks – your guidance looks quite conservative on that side, but even on revenues , if you take the last two or three years , typically you do only about less than 40% of your revenues in the first half and clearly sort of Q4 is quite big. So if I just use the ratios that happened in the last four years it should be somewhere between 8 billion and 8.5 billion of revenues already for this year and if that is true then clearly your gross profit was somewhat less than expected or the growth in – gross profit was less than expected, but if you have more than 8 billion of revenues then clearly there is operating leverage as well. And on top of that this probably that in benefit of lower input costs for example steel or just generally the commodity macro, but I just wanted to understand why haven’t you changed your guidance or is it that you want to see more progress in the next few months before actually updating your guidance? Anders Runevad Okay, so let me start and then see if Marika will want to add something. But, I mean overall of course, we are very comfortable with our position. We have a very strong orders backlog, so of course we anticipate a high activity level. We are also early in the year still we expect the seasonality in the business as we have seen before and that also means that we have other uncertainties that we have seen previous years on the later part of the year with a high activity level. And uncertainty is of course very much sort of within the calendar year. We have this Catch-22 environment where we have a lot of delivery and transfer risk and probably recognize the revenue and we do that in areas with a lot of wind, because that’s the [indiscernible] for us and that’s – at the same time of course where we are very dependent that that we can execute the projects towards the end of the year. So that is an uncertainty that and that’s why we maintain or be at safe or remain the guidance from May this year. The other thoughts – the equation and we have a high activity level as I said, we increased delivery about 35% to 40% last year, we increased delivery again for the first half to 35%, so of course we are running on a high activity ramp up plan. We are delivering according to that plan which I think is very obvious in the performance that we have had so far. But of course, it is a plan where you have risks I feel again comfortable with our ramp up plan both with number of people and material but we also of course are dependent on sub suppliers on that we get all the material in at the time that we need to get it in into the supply-chain, so that we can execute in the timely matter. One such example of sort of unforeseen events is of course the accident that has been in China very recently. And we of course have a manufacturing facility in China, the good news is that the manufacture is not affected its bit away from the Tianjin port area so it’s not affected at all and also of course very good that’s known of the Vestas same place are affected. We have also been lucky in the sense that our blade that was ready for shipment was actually porting in different harbor in the same port, so they are not affected and they will go it as planned, but we have an uncertainty in sub supplier components coming into that harbor that we have currently then working through and evaluating. So I must say that’s one example of fairly unforeseen event that good news is that nothing has been affected by manufacturing capability but we obviously can’t rule out some sort of delay at this point in time. Pinaki Das And what about the sort of 8 billion to 8.5 billion of revenues where you are just looking at last few years trends at least at, if that analysis valid or would you still stick to the 7.5 billion? And also I mean just on that front, you obviously are doing much more supply only installations front does that change the sort of risk profile? Marika Fredriksson Well I mean I cannot – I will not – disagree with your calculation obviously the pattern with the investors and the industry is that you have a higher activity level in the second half. Yes, hope we will have a certain impact on the revenue for sure, but what we – I mean what you are referring to is obviously the [indiscernible] if everything works our job is obviously to see what make the stimulation what if and therefore we have chosen to stick here with the guidance that we have and please bear in mind it is a minimum guidance. Pinaki Das My second question is just relating to sort of input costs, , clearly we’ve seen the commodity macro going down quite significantly, how does that affect your input costs and you’ve already mentioned that pricing is – been probably stable , how do you benefit from lower commodity prices have you already seen it in some of your numbers or you yet to see it in the next few quarters and probably how do your contracts work with your suppliers and sort of end customers? Marika Fredriksson Well obviously, the product cost is high on the agenda when it comes to commodities it’s also dependent on how you have purchased whether you are on spot or if you potentially would store some of it, with the team that we have certainly have the focus and they continue to leverage on the commodity pricing as it sits right now. Obviously that is also dependent on volumes, so you will see impacts in lumps but that is part of the program that is running within the purchasing area. Pinaki Das Is it fair to say that you would benefit from the lower commodity macro if you are pricing in stable? Marika Fredriksson I mean if we would be right in the timing of purchasing, yes we would definitely benefit from it yes. Pinaki Das Okay, thank you. Marika Fredriksson Thank you. Operator We now go to the line of Claus Almer of Carnegie. Please go ahead with your question. Claus Almer Thanks. I have two questions one is about the cost space and one is about the product mix in the quarter. As you showed Marika in the slides that your fix costs base has been, looking rather nicely over the last couple of quarters on 12 months rolling basis. But if you compare Q2 to Q1 is actually an increase. Is that effects or is just it was a high activity level as you said and should we expect the Q2 levels to continue rest of the year? That will be the first question. Marika Fredriksson So basically what I try to say Klaus is that company’s high focus obviously we have a negative impact, translation impact from the strong dollar right now on our fix capacity costs. But having said that we also have a certain portion although less simply because of higher activity level. But overall we are very strict and as I said we are extremely cautious on making sure that we leverage on all the efforts we have done to get the fixed capacity down. But as Anders said, I mean also in terms of activity level both last year and this year. I think we have been extremely good at leveraging, but the vast majority of the increase is for sure currency. Claus Almer But Q2 level will hopefully go up in second half of this year. So fixed costs will go up as well? Marika Fredriksson As I said, no. I mean overall we are keeping tight control. So it’s fairly limited on the activity level, but also, I mean we cannot rule out that there will be some increases, but it’s going to be limited also going forward. Claus Almer Okay. Then my second question goes to the product mix in the quarter. The mix you had is that an average from base compare to the backlog or was it better over? Marika Fredriksson Yes Klaus, that’s the number one question. There is no normal quarter in invest unfortunately. So you will always see these types of swings. What I think is good is if we look at the gross profit underlying base improving, it is lower compared to last year. The strive and the activities are in place to continue to improve on the gross profit. But it is very-very hard for me to say that is defined what is a normal quarter. The mix is not as favorable as last year clearly and that is also why we see that despite the high revenue or volume impact that is certainly offset to a certain extent by negative mix. Claus Almer So we should expect once you start dealing with the remaining got of your backlog across, it could be improving that also be drawn, is that right? Marika Fredriksson Possibly, but what I can say is that if we look at the order backlog, we are happy with how there backlog is distributed. Operator We now go to the line of Alok Katre of Societe. Please go ahead with your question. Your line is now open. Alok Katre Just a couple of maybe. First and foremost in Brazil, obviously currency and the economic activities situation over there is a little tough, I’m not say the least. But maybe you could just help us with what your analytic [indiscernible] to the Real is and how well you are covered there not just for 15 but also for 2016 as well, if there is any cover over there? And related question on Brazil of course is having grown rapidly over the past three years in terms of installations. If you look at some of the consultant forecast, they seems to be suggesting it will go a high level for fuels and perhaps even decline in the outer areas. And that said do you see competition hitting up and therefore is which does even with this recent [indiscernible] a little late and to the Brazilian sort of party sort of speak. So this is question number one and then I have follow-up on different topic. Thanks. Marika Fredriksson So I will start with the translation impact and Anders will follow-up on the Brazil question. So if you look at the primary impact on vessels P&L is translation with the strong U.S. dollar that received right now we have a positive impact from a translation point of view. In Q2 you see an impact of 140 million on the revenue, where approximately 18 is for the service business. There is as I said, a negative impact on the translation on the fixed capacity costs, so consequently, you see approximately, 10 million to 12 million positive impact from translation on the EBIT line So basically what I’m trying to say is that we are fairly well naturally hedged as a company with, and that is also what Andres alluded to earlier. We have a competitive advantage with our industrial platform, so that is providing to a great extent natural hedge the part that we are not naturally hedged we hedge the project, so we are not hedging the EBIT, but we are rather hedging the margin of the company. Alok Katre Okay, any specific comments around the Brazilian Real, in terms of being social over there, I mean obviously, I guess you do the some of the components from either Europe or U.S. or China as well so… Marika Fredriksson Yes, I clearly understand your question on Brazil, yes, the Brazilian Real is a challenge. But, we have a taken the decision to further improve our local production also to meet the local requirements, so we make sure we get the tax benefits. So overall the currency is a challenge, we are trying to mitigate that challenge with actions locally. Anders Runevad We have about 300 megawatt in backlog in Brazil so it’s not that much and of course as Marika said, the local quantum through it will also actually enforce that you have to do a lot of local production, so it’s a smaller fortune between where we have to work with [indiscernible] the product module. So, I think that leading a little bit out of your questions about Brazil enroll and whether or not it was the right time or wrong time for us to say, I think in that aspect of course the Brazilian Real and more the sort of overall macro development in Brazil is of course is negative and of course something important for us as well as all other companies to watch and my belief also after having worked in Brazil for many a years is that it is going to be a market where there is ups and downs. I think what’s at least what you have to take into account in Brazil, I think if you look at it from a renewal perspective, it’s a market that has a growing need for more energy it’s a market with fairly lot of old of hydro, so it’s a market that actually for the foreseeable future will have a growing energy need and it’s also a market and with a very good wind resources. So I, from that aspect, I think it’s going to continue to be a very interesting market. I am very happy with the timing of Vestas entering the market. I think we have managed to avoid the big rush that first started and that has actually led to some other suppliers leaving the market, so that means that we missed out a bit on the volume but on the other hand, if I see reconciliation in the market that’s happened after as I said, I am very happy with our most step-wise approach to get in to the market. Alok Katre Okay, just a follow-up on different topic altogether, obviously the 3 megawatt platform is getting streamlined just in Europe but as you suggested in the U.S. as well, how should we think about this from the profitability point of view particularly on some of the newer 3 megawatt turbine facility V126 or so. Just to get a sense of the mix effect and as we see [indiscernible] of the 3 mega watt turbines? Marika Fredriksson Overall both on the 2 mega watt and the 3 mega watt and I understand what you are alluding to, we are very happy with the profitability on both platforms. You will always see differences because mix will also — always playing so how you construct this specific project will have an impact on the profitability of the two platforms? But a generic answer is that, we are very happy with the both platforms. We also have activities to take cost-out on both platforms and that continues. Alok Katre Okay, so should I take it as there is – let’s say there is not much or not much of a mix effect from higher 3 megawatt in the wind? Marika Fredriksson It will depend on the specific project that’s all I can say to be – answer you very generically, it is – next will always have an impact on either platforms. But there are, as I said, the activities to continue to take cost-out and as you understand that 2 megawatt is more mature so there is more cost-out to take out on the 3 megawatts simply because it’s a newer platform. Alok Katre Okay, fine. And how much was it in terms of overall installed base and in terms of revenue share perhaps in H1 and if that could be? Anders Runevad On new installed base, I think we don’t have – I don’t have those numbers in front of me. [indiscernible] take first half it’s fairly it was, so I – can come back to you on the installed base. Alok Katre Sure, okay. Thank you. Operator Our next question is from the line of Klaus Kehl of Nykredit Markets. Please go ahead with your question, your line is open. Klaus Kehl Yes, hi, hello. Klaus Kehl from Nykredit Markets. Say and the first question would be on your current capacity, could you give us an update on that one and potentially also capacity constraints going forward if the odd intake continues at the same run rate yes as we are seeing right now, that will be my first question. Marika Fredriksson So if we look at the current capacity as , the business and that’s a reason for your question. It is developing quite fast, we have as Anders alluded to you earlier, we have really met the demand in the market in a very good way both in 2014 and but also in 2015. We have strong order in-take, we have a strong backlog and we have consequently decided to make further investments in capacity and that is primarily [indiscernible] and obviously with what we are doing now, we have the right activities in place to meet the demand that we see and having in front of us. Klaus Kehl Okay, but could you give some kind of indication of megawatts we are talking about the capacity of 8,000 megawatts or is that a company secret? Marika Fredriksson I don’t know, if it’s a company secret. Anders Runevad No we definitely have the required capacity and we have a very scalable capacity. I mean if you look at the nutshell it’s very – it’s actually very easy on the manufacturing footprint we have to scale up. Of course it would happen that we have to take from different parts of the world and of course it’s always an optimization that we are trying to do on closeness to the factory and where we have the project, but from a capacity point of view it’s a very scalable part. The blade part is what usually sets the numbers so just speak there as Marika said we have – and I think we have said on this call for the last three four calls that we are investing in new malls and they are actually — impossible to move around and from a breaking point of view was on the blade we loss and therefore we can also fix that. Klaus Kehl Okay. And then my second question would be on service revenues I must say that somewhat positively surprised about revenues in this quarter, so I just wanted to check if there is any unusual things included in the top line for this quarter and the service business? Marika Fredriksson I think that’s what you see in the service business, as you remember, we carved out the service business and made it a separate business and obviously it takes sometime before we get attraction on that focus and I think this is – it is a reflection on the focus so, it’s again very strong organic growth in the service business, obviously also reflection of the strong turbine order in-take that you see. Klaus Kehl Okay. Thank you very much. Operator We now go to the line of Sean McLoughlin at HSBC. Please go ahead, your line is open. Sean McLoughlin Good morning. Thank you. Can I just clarify on FX you said €10 million to €12 million of positive translation of EBIT, is that a total effect in Q2? Marika Fredriksson Correct. Sean McLoughlin Correct. And then two questions if I may, firstly, on the share buyback, if – you just talk about what might trigger that? Secondly, I am intrigued by your comments on 3 megawatts replacing 2 megawatts, just want to understand what’s driving that, is that fuel economic or just 3 megawatts turbine is actually much more competitive on a megawatt hour basis in low medium wind speed is it down to permitting or is there anything else and particularly what other markets could we begin to see that, and most of all, how does that shape relate to that you think about future for [indiscernible]. Marika Fredriksson Okay, if we start with the quicker question, which is the share buyback, we will obviously when we have a solid proposal from our side we are not ruling out the share buyback as I said and neither a dividend, so we will give a recommendation when we have recommendation in place to the Board and then they will make it ultimate decision on how much that can be. But obviously, we understand and respect their requirements and also see that ourself to make the balance sheet even more efficient. Anders Runevad On the [indiscernible] 3 megawatt platform question and I will say that – I mean 95% of the driving is of course pure economics as you alluded to. So it’s levelized cost of energy production and of course we see then very good progress, so on the 3 megawatts both when it comes to increased power rating we can now go up to 3.45 megawatt and also increased rotor size, but it’s also saw that with our new turbines we can reach higher and therefore we had to get the wind condition, we can also go to new places with new features that’s both grid features but also for example the deicing solution. We also have solutions on more humid conditions. So it is very much to the absolute highest grids driven by levelized cost of energy and more efficiency energy production. So, that is what sort of drive this trend we have seen of course since before that we have for example in Latin America a quite a lot of 3 megawatt projects U.S. we see now in Q2 clearly and the reason why we see more – in a market the tradition has been only 2 megawatt, we now see a good order in-take from 3 megawatt is that there are sites now where the economics are better for our 3 megawatt platform. Sean McLoughlin So does this mean that, in terms of future product development, you’ll have more of a 3 megawatt, or go for a 3 megawatt plus focus? Anders Runevad I think there is a trend in the market it’s definitely there, so and also if you look at the age or the platform of course, the 3 megawatt platform as Marika said as well it’s a much newer platform for us and of course the potential for us both on improving that further both from a cost point of view but also from energy production point of view is higher from the pure fact that it’s a newer platform. Sean McLoughlin Thank you. Operator Our next question is from the line of Shai Hill at Macquarie. Please go ahead, your line is open. Shai Hill Yes thank you very much. So my two questions, I think the first one, Marika, could I just ask you, sorry I am not getting this, but to explain the difference in terms of the offshore between the 27 million reported and 8 million you said [indiscernible] it’s the difference specially sale of equipment from [indiscernible] joint venture perhaps you can just explain it to me I’m not getting it? Second question was just, Andres maybe could comment a bit on Germany, very big market for you last year, about 18% your deliveries and obviously there has been some regulatory changes than your first half deliveries in Germany are slightly less than half of what they were in the first half of last year. Do you think aspect, to seem that would be the picture for the full year basis, that you sort of do less than a half of what you did last year roughly or is there some seasonal rebound, or deliveries that should expect to Germany? Marika Fredriksson Okay. So, if we start with your first question. So the joint venture had a profit in itself, a net profit of 12, we get 50% of that so it’s a 6 million and not 8, as I said. And besides that we had profits from the joint venture sales of turbine, so transfer of risk to the end user of some 50 million I think it was. And then you have adjustments, so that’s the additional 15 million of turbine sold from Vestas to the joint venture. So we end up in the territory of 27 million. The thing is just to take it from the beginning is, we sell this 3 megawatt platform to the joint venture, we then recognize revenue and consequently have the gross profit on that particular projects, so it hasn’t impact on our EBIT, but then for following the accounting rules and principal, we have to deduct that profit under the EBIT line. So that would show negative figures from the joint venture. [Audio gap] And now as we sold last year into the joint venture they now have transferred the risk of these projects and that consequently have a positive impact once they out below the EBIT line for Vestas. So it is purely accounting principal, I don’t know if I explain it very well, but I really — that’s the best effort. Unidentified Analyst Okay. I think I got that. You had a profit in Q2 last year of sales to the joint venture, which reverse out below the EBIT line and — Marika Fredriksson That’s the correct. Unidentified Analyst You book a positive. Okay. Anders Runevad Okay. So it will be about Germany, and you are right and as we expected and as we talked about as well we saw decline in delivery in Germany this year, we have seen the decline in the market from a very-very high market before on delivery. Then also as we expected that’s a compensated for with the lot of increase the delivery activities in several outdoor markets in Amea [ph] talked about Finland, talked about Turkey, good activity levels in France and so on. So as expected, it come from a very strong delivery loss here in Germany we saw a decline in delivery for the first half but well compensated in other markets in Europe. If you look at orders, picture is a bit different as you can see orders for the first half in, there may have a reason and is up 37%, year-on-year and in the quarter actually up 53%, so a good development on the order intake side. And here we actually see a good development also in Germany on the order side. So compared to last year as we have said before, as well we have seen Germany smaller from a delivery point of view with this year but longer term we see Germany as a big stable market. Operator We are now over to line of Patrik Setterberg of Nordea. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Patrik Setterberg Two questions, the first is regarding or both of them is regarding the development on the US market, you now have 2.3 gigawatt in master supply agreements, I just wondering if the clients want to utilize all of this 2.3 gigawatt of borders, would you be able to produce all of them in 2015 and 2016 and my second question regarding USA is that during the first half of 2015 you have been able to book orders out of orders in USA 50% of the orders is outside these small service agreements. Is this a more positive development than expected or is it demand what you have set forward in the start of the year. Anders Runevad Yes, so if I start with your first question. So if we can confirm the potential of the front 2.3 form an unconditional we will be able to produce and deliver that within ’15 and ’16 that will definitely have the capacity for. On your second question it is of course positive that we have taken also a lot share outside the framed agreement in the first half. And again I am very satisfied with our performance in the U.S. and our ability to take market share and orders. Then of course you should also remember that border line in between is somewhat fluent as of course you could have project that was in a frame before [Audio Gap] time therefore with components for P2C qualification and then those projects or someone one or two project can move out that, customer can sale that to another customers that we have the frame agreement but of course it’s still then designed with Vestas component across our possibilities to secure that order is fairly good. So it is a bit of a moving market as well when it comes to project in the frame and outside the frame but overall we definitely have the capacity in ’15 and ’16 but we expect both years to be very busy be rest. And of course we are happy also to take even more orders outside the frames. Operator The last question is from the line of Jose Arroyas of Exane. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Jose Arroyas Good morning, everybody. I had a couple of questions. First one on the service margins, given the prepared comment section you eluded to $2 million to $3 million of one off costs in a service unit. Could you explain to us if that’s ForEx related, if that’s geographic mix or seasonal effect that we should know about and if so that will reverse in the second half? That’s question number one. Marika Fredriksson Okay. So to be very clear on that and it is nothing to be, it’s nothing that we will see on a occurring basis, but of course you count it in a quarter or in a month have that type of cost, but it’s nothing that we plan for. And that’s a little bit my point is when you have an extraordinary cost in a fairly small business on a comparable basis, you will see an impact on the EBIT margin. But as I said we still have very high margins and also very stable margins overall in the service business. So it’s nothing that we are worried about or have a concern about. Jose Arroyas Where that cost comes from what’s the nature of those costs if I may ask? Marika Fredriksson Well, I do not have the precise description of the cost base for you. So I would suggest that you look or check that with our Investor Relations. Jose Arroyas Okay. And my last question is on the JV. What is the amount of milestone payments that you have received from Mitsubishi year-to-date and what have been booked in the balance sheet and the capital statement? Thank you very much. Marika Fredriksson The amount [Audio Gap] The overall deal with Mitsubishi was that Mitsubishi had a payment of all-in-all 300 million into the joint venture. A 100 million was transferred at the start of the joint venture, the remaining 200 was transferred on milestones to joint venture and it’s not 12.5 million left out of the total of 300 million. Operator We’ll now hand back to Anders to close. Marika Fredriksson Okay. So with that, we close this call. Again thank you for calling in, thank you for your questions and thank you for your continued interest.

U.S. Treasury Bond Funds Unscathed After China Cuts Stake

Many had the belief that the U.S. would be vulnerable to China’s quirks when the latter’s holdings of U.S. treasuries peaked to $1.65 trillion in 2014. China has chopped its holdings of U.S. treasuries by nearly $180 billion, but that sparked hardly any reaction from the treasury markets. Recent data from the Treasury Department showed benchmark 10-year yields dropped 0.6 percentage points despite the biggest foreign holder of U.S. debt chopping its holding between March 2014 and May 2015. China’s Holdings China has not reinvested the proceeds from maturing securities back into the treasuries; leading to a lower stake of nearly $180 billion from its peak. According to the latest Treasury data, China has $1.47 trillion of treasuries. This also includes $200 billion held through Belgium. Nomura has said that several Chinese custodial accounts are located in Belgium. Foreign buyers had played a key role in helping the treasury market boom to $12.7 trillion when the U.S. was trying to finance stimulus programs to come out of recession. China had been an active participant, reflected in the gigantic jump in holdings from less than $350 billion held previously. China is retreating as it looks to raise money to counter the dismal economic growth conditions and the recent market rout. Alternative Buyers Fill the Gap New regulations to avoid another financial collapse have made banks and such firms to buy highly-rated assets. Investors’ cash moved from bank deposits that have record low interest rates into mutual funds; which in turn have accumulated government debt. According to Fed data, stakes in treasuries and debt from federal agencies held by U.S. commercial banks have increased by nearly $300 billion since March 2014 to more than $2.1 trillion. Indirect bidders won 55% of the $1.2 trillion of notes and bonds that have been sold in 2015, up from 2014’s 43%. These indirect bidders include foreign investors and mutual funds. U.S. Treasury Mutual Funds to Buy China’s reduced holdings failed to have any negative impact on U.S. treasuries. It is evident that the alternatives stepped in; wherein many mutual funds too stockpiled substantial holdings. On that note, let’s look at mutual funds that have substantial U.S. treasuries holdings. The following funds carry a Zacks Mutual Fund Rank #1 (Strong Buy) or Zacks Mutual Fund Rank #2 (Buy). Remember, the goal of the Zacks Mutual Fund Rank is to guide investors to identify potential winners and losers. Unlike most of the fund-rating systems, the Zacks Mutual Fund Rank is not just focused on past performance, but the likely future success of the fund. These funds have strong 1-year returns. The 3-year and 5-year annualized returns are also encouraging. T. Rowe Price U.S. Treasury Long-Term (MUTF: PRULX ) invests a major portion of its assets in government affiliated U.S. treasury securities. The rest of the assets are invested in other government-backed instruments. It has a maturity between 15-20 years and may also vary from 10-30 years. PRULX carries a Zacks Mutual Fund Rank #1 and has returned 7.3% over the last 1 year. The 3- and 5-year annualized returns are 2.1% and 6%. The annual expense ratio of 0.51% is lower than the category average of 0.61%. Dreyfus U.S. Treasury Long-Term (MUTF: DRGBX ) seeks total return with capital growth and current income. DRGBX invests a majority of its assets in U.S. treasury instruments. DRGBX may also invest in other instruments which are approved by the domestic government or issued by its entities. DRGBX generally has a duration of more than or equal to 7.5 years and minimum of 10 years of weighted duration of maturity. DRGBX carries a Zacks Mutual Fund Rank #1 and has returned 7.3% over the last 1 year. The 3- and 5-year annualized returns are 2% and 6%. The annual expense ratio of 0.65% is however higher than the category average of 0.61%. Wasatch-Hoisington US Treasury (MUTF: WHOSX ) seeks return that beats inflation with an emphasis on both capital growth and current income. WHOSX invests a lion’s share of its assets in U.S. treasury securities and also in repurchase agreements backed by such securities. WHOSX carries a Zacks Mutual Fund Rank #2 and has returned 10.8% over the last 1 year. The 3- and 5-year annualized returns are 2.8% and 8%. The annual expense ratio of 0.70% is however higher than the category average of 0.61%. Fidelity Spartan Long-Term Treasury Bond Index Fund Fidelity Advantage (MUTF: FLBAX ) invests most of its assets in securities listed in Barclays U.S. Long Treasury Bond Index. The fund tries to replicate the performance of Barclays U.S. Long Treasury Bond Index by using statistical sampling techniques on the back of interest rate sensitivity and maturity among others. FLBAX carries a Zacks Mutual Fund Rank #2 and has returned 8.6% over the last 1 year. The 3- and 5-year annualized returns are 2.9% and 6.7%. The annual expense ratio of 0.1% is lower than the category average of 0.61%. Vanguard Long-Term Treasury Investor (MUTF: VUSTX ) invests a major portion of its assets in long-term bonds whose interest and principal payments are backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government. At least 65% of VUSTX’s assets will always be invested in U.S. treasury securities. VUSTX maintains a dollar-weighted average maturity of between 15 and 30 years. VUSTX carries a Zacks Mutual Fund Rank #2 and has returned 8.4% over the last 1 year. The 3- and 5-year annualized returns are 2.8% and 6.6%. The annual expense ratio of 0.2% is lower than the category average of 0.61%. Original Post

GreenHunter Resources’ (GRH) CEO Gary Evans on Q2 2015 Results – Earnings Call Transcript

GreenHunter Resources, Inc. (NYSEMKT: GRH ) Q2 2015 Earnings Conference Call August 14, 2015 10:00 AM ET Executives Gary Evans – Chairman and CEO Serene Prat – Head of IR Kirk Trosclair – EVP and COO Ronald McClung – CFO Analysts Operator Good morning. My name is Kamey and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the GreenHunter Resources Second Quarter 2015 Financial and Operating Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker’s remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Mr. Gary Evans, you may begin your conference. Gary Evans Thank you, operator and thank all of you for dialing in today. My name is Gary Evans, I’m Chairman and CEO of GreenHunter Resources and Magnum Hunter and again with me here, Kirk Trosclair our Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer as well as Ron McClung, our Chief Financial Officer. And before we get into the meat of the discussion today to talk about our second quarter and six months ended June 30, 2015 financial operating results, we need to let our listeners have a little forward-looking statement. So Serene Prat our Head of Investor Relations, is going to read that for us. Serene? Serene Prat Thank you. Before we begin with the content of today’s call, I’d like to advice you that Safe Harbor include forward-looking statements within the meanings of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. The following discussion provides information, which management believes is relevant to an assessment and understanding of our financial condition and results of operations. The discussion contains forward-looking statements that involve risk and uncertainties that may include statements regarding our expectation, beliefs and intentions, or strategies regarding the future. Actual events or results may differ materially from those indicated in such forward-looking statements. This discussion should be understood in conjunction with the financial statements accompanying notes and risk factors included in our SEC filings. The discussion should not be construed to imply that results contained herein will necessarily continue into the future or that any conclusion reached herein will necessarily be indicative of actual operating results in the future. Such discussion represents only the best present assessment by our management. Actual events or results may differ materially from those indicated in such forward-looking statements. This disclaimer is an effect for the duration of this conference call. Gary Evans Thank you — that was outstanding. Let’s now get started with respect to the call today. We filed our quarterly financial statement press release earlier this morning. So, hopefully, you received that. And I thought before we got into the specifics about the company and its operations for the quarter, I might talk a little bit about the macro picture that we’re all experiencing in the energy industry today and how it affects or doesn’t affect GreenHunter. So, as many of you know that are involved in energy arena, we had a change with respect to OPEC’s decision to basically flood the world market with oil beginning around Thanksgiving and that we’ve experienced a precipitous decline in crude oil prices worldwide from around $100, $105 a barrel down to in the $42 a barrel day range today. The purpose of doing this is to regain market share that OPEC lost due to the significant success that independent oil and gas companies have had in the shale plays here in the United States over the last five years. And so, it’s had a dramatic effect in the entire energy industry has called the rig count to the cut significantly down to historically low levels and is creating a huge amount of layoffs and just basically a much reduced capital spending level by all energy independence. People are in a preservation of capital mode not knowing how long these lower prices will persist. It’s also had an affect with respect to natural gas prices which is really, we’re more involved with respect to the Marcellus and Utica plays that we typically handle most of our water with up in the Appalachian Basin. The gas prices are down about $1 to $1.50 from where they were a year ago and that has also created a slowdown in drilling activity in our region not as much as other parts of the country but it’s definitely impacted it. So, we continue to stay busy but not as busy as we want to be, that’s causes to have to work a who lot harder get new accounts, we feel real good about some new prospects that we’re working on and our ability to continue to keep our wells full and we believe that this part of the country being the Marcellus and Utica in the south, West Virginia, Southeast Ohio will continue to garner a significant amount of capital. So, there is any place in the country I would rather be its this area, there is no other play I want to be active in. We continue to have the best margins, we continue to have the lion’s share of the business. And we continue to add capacity to allow us to gather and inject greater volumes of water going forward. So we’re going giving you a lot more detail as to some of this today. One thing that’s very important for you to understand Magnum Hunter has announced as of about a week ago that we have entered into a letter of intent for $430 million drilling program over in Ohio which encompasses about 50 Utica wells, that program will began in October. And GreenHunter will have a 100% of the water business there. So, while we’re having a little slack here over the next last few months and we’re continuing to fill our wells, there’s going to be a whole slug of new activity and that activity will continue for about two years. So, because of the [sister] relationship between Magnum and Green that’s going to definitely benefit GreenHunter going forward and there is more details on that if you want to look at the filings that Magnum has made publically over the past week and many analyst research reports have been written about that as well. So, with that I’m going to turn the call over to Kirk — give you specific details of our activities during the second quarter and update you on what we are working on. Kirk? Kirk Trosclair Thanks, Gary. Before we going to the specifics, I do want to add a couple of comments on the numbers in Appalachian as it relates to volumes and trucking hours and things like that across our portfolio. First the rig count decline since 2014 in Appalachia has decreased 42% in Utica and 21% in the Marcellus. The keyword across all the presentations that we’re listening to from all the E&P companies is efficiencies and efficiencies translate to price reductions across the entire service industry as it relates to service providers in the oil and gas business. The effective lower total rig count, basically equals significant reductions in flow back volumes and a slightly less, lower production volumes across the board with the most being significant reductions from flow back. Secondly the E&P capital expenditures that Gary mentioned earlier were lowered again in the second quarter and companies were voluntarily asking service companies to help by reducing rates to match the falling commodity prices. We feel that these have now hit the bottom across our industry in the Appalachia region and we should be able to maintain from here on out. On appositive side, as he mention with the Magnum Hunter JV, GreenHunter has strategic alliances with certain operators in the Appalachian Basin that will help curtail some of the overall effects of the downturn in the industry and the increased flow back volumes just from that JV and the production volumes that will come from it will help the company tremendously going forward. We probably won’t realize those affect into the GreenHunter side from flow backs to the latter part of fourth quarter of this year but we’ll see significant increases starting in the first quarter of 2016. So, what does it mean for GreenHunter for the remainder 2015, we’ll continue to fight the fight, manage our expenses and start to gain additional market share, something we haven’t — have not had to do in the past. We’re having to go out and grab new market share, enhance some operating efficiencies and be the best service provider of Oilfield Fluid Management Solutions in the industry. Our team in Appalachia has done a great job through this downturn and they are to be commended for it. So to get you to the specifics of the second quarter, on July 27, you guys remember we sent out a press release and we turned on two new disposal wells at our Mills Hunter facility located in Southeastern Ohio. These wells were — we were pleasantly surprised at some of the increased rates we had once we turned the wells on, our initial injection rates told us we were going to 3,000 to 4,000 barrels per day and with the combined two wells, we think we can push the 8,000 barrels per day limit on these two wells. The increased injection capacity basically takes our overall capacity of the company and increase it by 50% and takes us to 21,000 barrel, so permitted injection capacity. Just recently, we added some additional trucks in the latter part of July, I think it was like the last day of July our self, we took the delivery of two new Peterbilts, we sent those to the shop in West Virginia to have the 407 tanks put on the trucks and we just recently as of two days ago received four additional trucks at the shop and those are being outfitted to haul condensate and water by having those sets to DOT 407 related trucks. We plan to have the two that were in the shop first out to the out on the street and actually hauling in the next couple of weeks and then the other four will probably be two to four weeks behind as they continue to come out the shop and then that will leave us with two remaining trucks from the user proceeds from our senior lenders. And those will hit sometime in October. Some of the things to point out that we continue to improve our operating margins on quarter by quarter basis, we’re getting a lot better at doing our business in the Appalachia region and we’ve increased those from 38% in the second quarter 2014 to 49% in the second quarter of 2015. The other thing that we need to point out and it’s really is our internal trucking, we mentioned this in our first quarter call, we learned a lot by hiring third party transporters and trying to grab volumes from additional trucking companies and running it through our own services but that was not beneficial to the company and we’ve learned to utilize our own internal trucking and those numbers have jumped dramatically from 18% of second quarter of last year to 40% in second quarter of this year. Now, of course some of that has to do with fuel pricing and things like that but our overall expenses in-house for the operations for these units has gone down. Also, at the unit in these times of tough commodity prices we’re cutting back, we’re running a lean shop here and we’ve decreased that by 1.6 million and total decrease of 21% and something that we’re very proud of, we’ve produced positive adjusted EBITDA for the first and the second quarter of 2015 and the second quarter at 316,000 of the positive EBITDA here in house. So, those are some of like the key highlights of what happened in the second quarter, obviously we have a lot of things that came out and we’ve been working on in the third quarter, we were delayed on a lot of this construction efforts for some new wells, you can see in the press release, we spoke about what contributed to those, some of it was the funding delay initially, then it was permitting and new processes and things like that that’s going on with the Ohio department of natural resources and on the West Virginia side with the [environmental] protection. It’s a new ballgame out there, which is not a bad thing for us, we’re complying with all the rules and rigs which we always have and we’re going to be a leader in that industry and learn from the past in how things transition to new rigs and responsibilities and we’ll get more efficient at that. The last couple of years — permitting of a new well would take us 45 to 50 days, now that’s gone up to about six months, we think we can get that timeframe down in the four to five month range but that will be the new norm from here going forward. So, that was some of the delays that we had at the mills Hunter facility, we’re nearing completion of that, we should have the third of the four wells additionally that we’re tuning on at mills here in next 30 to 45 days, we should begin injection into that well and then the final well which is the furthest well away from the pumping facility, will probably come online sometime in late October. I know you guys mentioned the Ritchie Hunter 2 which is the West Virginia well that we have ready to go. The well itself, the facility, the flow line everything is completed, we’re just waiting the final approval from the West Virginia Department of Environmental Protection and that’s impressive, we met with those guys at their office in Charleston two weeks ago and we should receive that final permit here in the next 30 to 45 days. So, that’s kind of the operational highlights of what’s been going in Appalachia, with that I’ll turn over to more details through Ron McClung on the financials. Ronald McClung Well, as both Gary and Kirk have said, it’s been a tough environment in the second quarter in terms of people have stopped drilling as much, flow back and so forth so, we’ve had a corresponding decrease in the revenues, a year ago our revenue in total was 6.8 million or second quarter in this year was 4.6 million. Our two main sources of revenue, water disposal revenue was down $434,000 and our trucking revenue was down $384,000, water disposal was down 13% in revenue and trucking was down 20% revenue, but also as Kirk said, we had not only corresponding decreases in our expenses for those two main lines of business but additional percentages of decrease in our expenses, so for example, where our water revenue was down 13%, our disposal expense for that related revenue was down 33%. So was that 20% more than revenue was and we so the same thing on the trucking side, where trucking was down 20% in revenue, we had a 41% decrease in trucking expense. And as Kirk said some of that was due to fuel cost being less than they were last year, but it’s also a consolidated effort on behalf of management to decrease cost and then we saw additionally as he pointed already a 20% decrease from last year in SG&A. Now what all that means to us is that we think we have a structure in place to — that’s ready for the growth that we think we’re about to experience and don’t expect any significant increases in those cost, of course there’ll be some, but we think we are setup to experience good margins on there as we’re able to put these new wells and trucks in service and not only that but because of the fact that our wells are 100% joined to current offload facilities, the incremental expense related to those will be minimal and so we expect to benefit from the savings that we’ve experienced from our cost cutting activities and benefit greatly from that as we put these new assets on loan. You’ll also note that for in the press release that our net loss per share from continuing operations was $0.08 this year compared to $0.13 last year and so we’re looking forward to seeing that even cut further and moving toward profitability because these new assets come online in the coming months. Kirk? Kirk Trosclair Thanks, Ron. So, I think we want to talk a few more about the things that we have coming and then I’ll turn the call back over to Gary and then I think we’ll take some questions. But as far as the project is concerned down at Mills, we only have two wells left to turn on there. We have the one well in West Virginia that we are just awaiting the final approval to turn on at this point. So, those are some things we can look forward to happening in the remainder of 2015, the third and fourth quarter. We received the additional trucks that are scheduled to come in, the last few in October and we’ll see those hitting the roads as well. The other thing I wanted to touch on I guess would be, we’ll have some questions later. We are making some progress with the Coast Guard efforts on the barging situation. We have not started construction of any of the docks at this point but we have had several meetings with the Coast Guard, the meetings are going very well, nothing is set in stone at this point, they haven’t approved anything, most things are still in the same status as far as the regulations go but we have made significant progress with their team on coming up to a common solution to let this happen sometime in the near future. With that I’ll turn the call back over to Gary. Gary Evans I just want to emphasize a few things that were mentioned to which I think are really, really important. Many of us here have been in this business a long time, I’ve been in it for over 30 years and we’ve recognized a downturn was coming early on back in January and so, your management here began taking the efforts to reduce our cost. We knew that to be able to survive through a down turn you got to have lower cost. So, those are reflected in the numbers that we reported today and so as we continue to add volumes which we’re doing on a weekly basis that’s going to really drive our EBITDA and while we all look for better times in the energy industry we’re counting on year, year and half down turn. So, we’re not building the business with the anticipation that all of the great things that were happening in the prior three years are going to happen now. So, by being a leaner meaner machine we will become much more competitive with our existing competition in the region. We will continue to add capacity because we know its coming and then we got these joint ventures with a number of companies that are going to continue to add new volume. So, I’m actually quite excited about our future and I’m very excited that the wells that we put on at the Mills Hunter facility have taken so much water and so that in itself drives margin because we don’t have to put as many wells on because the volume take away capacity is much greater. We do believe we’re getting close as Kirk mentioned on the Coast Guard resolution. We continue to have a number of meetings with the Coast Guard, just to get dialogue and we believe we have some actions that we can take in the near future to begin barging and we’re keeping those close to our best for competitive reasons but when we do begin barging you will hear about it. So, with that let’s turn over the call to our listeners and operator and we’ll take our first question. Question-and-Answer Session Operator Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your first question is come from [Dan Murphy] with Shareholders. Unidentified Analyst Good morning, gentlemen. Question on your preferred stock, noticed you didn’t pay dividend in July, there was nothing in the press release. Can you update us on the status of when you plan to pay or what’s going on with the preferred shares? Gary Evans Yes. The management board decided to because this is accumulative preferred to delay dividends at this time and so, we do not have an answer for you as to when we will begin paying dividends obviously something that we’re going to address but at this point in time the dividends will accumulate and we do not plan on paying in for at least a month or two. Operator Your next question comes from [indiscernible] Securities. Unidentified Analyst Yes, Gary, what concerned me more about the suspension of the dividend is that you didn’t see fits [indiscernible] signing the dividend. I mean, that’s [our pay], why didn’t you do that? Gary Evans Send the letter? Unidentified Analyst You didn’t send the letter; we’ve called the Investor Relations, nothing. Gary Evans Well, there is a real big reason for that. We were in negotiations with our lender; we did not know what the outcome of those negotiations were going to be and those negotiations did not conclude till about 30 minutes ago, so that’s the reason. I can’t tell you something that I don’t know about. Unidentified Analyst Yes, but, so in other words, your lenders are preventing you from making the dividend payments? Gary Evans That is correct. Unidentified Analyst Okay, now as follows the [code’s part of] concern, I’ve been following you, I’ve been a shareholder from several years now, and it’s like the same story with the [cold start], encouraging next month, next week, next year and it keeps going on and on, what is the problem? Gary Evans Hey, there’s a lot of problems with it, we’re dealing with a governmental agency, things take time and it’s not just a straight forward process. Unidentified Analyst But did they give you a reason why or they just say we’re not ready to talk about it? Gary Evans We have several reason why and we’re working with the Coast Guard to establish a policy that will be regulated by the Coast Guard and that we will adhere to. The basic answer to your question is that the reason we are not barging water today like we thought we’d be doing two years ago is bureaucratic backlog and we’ve had many meetings, we’ve had U.S. senators, U.S. congressmen involved, we’ve gone to Washington, we had many-many meetings and if you want to blame anybody, you blame this administration, they’ve tried to everything they could do to interfere in our business. So, we’re taking all measures possible to resolve the situation, we think we have a path that will resolve it. The Coast Guard I believe realizes there are issues here and for competitive reasons we don’t believe it’s an appropriate for us to disclose this or other companies would like to be doing what we’re hopefully going to be doing soon, but it is a bureaucratic mess and we have been trying to clean up the mess for two years and we have spent an ordinate amount of time in resources, in capital and trying to fix it so, if you want to pick up the phone and call the U.S. Coast Guard or call your Congressmen, I welcome it. Unidentified Analyst Now, that’s a possible thought and a final question is just short time ago, you were announcing that you had more business than you could handle, I mean you didn’t have enough capacity of salt water disposal to get all the water into the ground, has the drought been that severe in the past month? Gary Evans It is, it’s actually been that severe in the past two months, yes, a lot of our business is handling flow back water and when there’s a lack of drilling there’s a lack of water, now we do as I said believe we can fill these wells up and we’re in the process of doing that, we have many contracts and negotiations to fill these wells up, so we believe this is a short term operation but at the same time that we turned on our new wells, the same time the business dropped. Unidentified Analyst And the final question is, in the last conference call you stated that the actual flow down was actually a benefit to your company and I don’t remember exactly why but you said because the company’s behalf it was differently, they would be doing things with the water and like I said I don’t recall exactly why, but you said, we’d be actually be getting better margins, what happened to that? Gary Evans So, let’s talk about that, when drilling stops, the water that’s reused, in other words, it might go into pit, it might go in to tanks, it’s being reused for additional fracking, that can only sit there for so long and then that water has to eventually be disposed of and so, we’re beginning to see that right now, that’s just beginning to happen is that this water is stored down these areas the local state governments, the DEP, the EPA, they’re not going to allow the companies to let that water sit there, so, they have to go dispose of it, because they are not reusing it for refrack, so that’s what we’re referring to and companies have been sitting on that water a lot longer than we anticipated but we do see a whole swell of that business coming. Operator Your next question comes from Kevin [Rineheart] with [Derivates] Capital. Unidentified Analyst I’m wondering at what point is this company sustainably profitable? Gary Evans As we get these wells filled up, I mean these existing disposal wells filled up, I don’t think you saw the EBITDA reported this quarter but we reported good positive EBITDA so we’re getting there, if you look at cutting the cost that we’ve done and now if we get the water we need, we’re getting very close so, closer than we’ve been in a long-long time, is that right Kirk? Kirk Trosclair That’s absolutely right, we’re positioning ourselves for when the market does take a turn to the north to have really tremendous results, especially as it relates to EBITDA. Gary Evans I can see it’s been profitable next year just in relation to the 430 million Magnum Hunter drilling program in Ohio, I mean it’s going to keep GreenHunter extremely busy. Unidentified Analyst Another couple of questions, what is the current plan on retaining $13 million debt and the possible uses of the $3 million credit facilities still available. Gary Evans Well the $13 million debt has its own amortization schedule, so that’s how the plan is that’s outlined in the 10-Q. Additional $3 million is for predominantly the terminals that we need with respect to the barging. So, Kirk, Kirk Trosclair I mean that’s inside the $13 million that we’ve already taken in but the additional $3 million is for future projects that we have a six month window that we can go to the lender and if approved by them we can move forward with those projects. We have a list of probably $10 million to $12 million worth of projects that we have on a wish list. So we’re preparing that now, we’re prioritizing it and we’ll present that to them prior to the deadline and determine at that point if it makes sense as a management team to move forward and take the additional $3 million or to suspend that and move away from it. Operator Your next question comes from [Michael Huntsman] with [indiscernible] Unidentified Analyst Hi, Gary and Kirk. Just clarify a couple of items. There is a fair amount of production still happening in Utica, Marcellus, and it’s a pretty high water cut. So, is that the share you’re going after is to capture more produced water in the absence of the drilling activities through the first half and second half of this year, ex what Magnum Hunter is talking about doing? Gary Evans Michael this is Gary. We’ll take any order, reduced water, pull back order, whatever it is, we’re not that choosy right now but the one thing that’s kind of hurt our area is that with oil prices down that’s caused NGL and condensate prices to be down. So, Marcellus wells which were very, very active in our neck of the woods are not being drilled today and that’s because the cost of processing that condensated NGLs is today it’s a cost rather than it benefit, we used to get a $1.50 in McF uplift for McF on gas because of the rich liquids that associated with the Marcellus. Today, because of those low prices it cost money, a producer has to pay the cryogenic processing plant to process those liquids. So, that is really hurt the economics of Marcellus wells and so that’s been a huge drop in the drilling activity. On the flip side, the Utica wells, the dry Utica wells which is what Magnum just announced they’re going to be doing are very profitable, at $3 gas with no processing, with the takeaway capacities we have today, rates of return in the 40% to 50% range. So, you’re seeing a whole swell of switching from Marcellus and Utica and that’s all happening now and so you’re going to see this drilling activity pick up towards the latter part of the year with a number, there is new permits, Ontario which is one of our largest customers just permitted three new wells, two in [indiscernible] county, one in Dodgers county. So, we’re beginning to see that switch over occur and we think, that activity will definitely help us, because we have always been so full, it’s been so easy for us from the standpoint to get business as we have people waiting in line. Now we’re actually having to go out and get the business and we’re taking business from others and that’s what’s occurring, now we have two sales people, working full time in conjunction with Kirk and his team and he’s negotiating contracts every day. So, we see this as a very short-term aberration of we’ve turned on two significant wells that are doing much better we thought and guess what? The volumes weren’t there but they’re coming and you might just elaborate a little bit on that Kirk. Kirk Trosclair Yes, I don’t want to mention any specific names of the operators we’re working with Michael but we have new contracted take or pay capacity agreements out to three major E&P companies in that area, which total excess of 12,000 barrels per day, a take-or-pay capacity and one of those looks like it will probably be signed here by September 1 and the other one should be shortly after. The negotiations have been going on for a couple of weeks. It’s really tough to go out and sell something, when you don’t actually have the product in inventory. So, injection volumes was our inventory until we actually had the wells on, once we turned the wells on then we can actually hit the streets, people won’t talk to you until you actually have the volumes because it’s a one of those things where what do you have for me today. Gary Evans Yes, decisions are made today no, okay, well you have volumes on month well [indiscernible] now we got the volumes they just been turned on, we’re able to go get the new business Unidentified Analyst Okay. And I’m not trying to ask this, where I stand critical, but I’m catching the sense that the change in drilling happened so fast that, you were full for so long and not really worrying about sourcing, that when it changed so fast, your reaction time to fill it, the combination means that’s why we got this gap until — Kirk Trosclair It is somewhat of the gap Michael and one of the things that is probably to our determent at some points, but it’s also is going to a help us in the long-term, is all of that flow-back volume 75% or so of our fluids are traditionally production volumes. The 25%, or so has been flow backs and the majority of that flow back was coming from Triad. So we were saving space for Triad because of the agreements we have with them in place and then once those volumes dropped off, they dropped off the face of the earth, I mean really, really quick, we saw it coming, but yet we were still trying to chase some additional flow backs from different customers but that also dried up at the same time and then we turned on to new wells with increased capacity, so that’s why you see the utilization numbers down because of the increased capacity and we think that’s going to be short lived, we’re trying to grab additional production volumes right now, but we also have to be cognizant of the fact that this new JV program with Triad will be sending a tremendous amount of flow back volumes starting at the latter part of this year. Unidentified Analyst And then, one other things you’ve believed in the past Gary about the river of transport barging, was that — you could in fact do this despite the Coast Guard, what’s changed in that regard? Kirk Trosclair There’s a regulation out there, on the [indiscernible] 787, it’s an older regulation that was an addition to the existing rig and we had an avenue that we thought we could use and we still remain confident that we could have done that. Now would that have been the best thing to do, probably not, that’s why we kind off pulled back our horses, hey let’s all get at the same table and come to a common agreement. And we started working more diligently with the Coast Guard, being involved in meetings with those guys in DC and formulating a new angle to see this thing finally come to fruition. The rate itself that they proposed were going to see some changes to the rate that they had sent out in the latter part of 2013, and so we’re privy to some of that information , we’re not going to let it out at this point, we are doing some sampling this week for those guys of some [indiscernible] fluids and we’ll see what those results comeback and it really looks good and promising for us. I can’t tell you the timeline because obviously we don’t know that with the government, but this will happen eventually. Gary Evans I think maybe to summarize this, we had kind of gotten in because we were so frustrated into a bit of an adversarial position with the Coast Guard on this and started butting heads pretty bad and then we got some congressmen involved and things started changing so, we have a local congressmen in the West Virginia Ohio area that are having calls with the Coast Guard to try to understand why this has become such a logjam and a big issue and I think it’s a combination of some poor regulations that were written initially that were not understood and of course the Coast Guard had to sent this to the OMB, now OMB looks at it, they do their mental review and it goes back to the Coast Guard so, when I say that we’ve been tied up into a regulatory logjam, that’s a mild understatement and we have kept the pressure on and we have been using congressmen to do that and we’ve been having much more fruitful meetings off lately then we’ve had in the past. And that we think we’ve got the right people involved now, they understand the issues and it’s being addressed so, we do have some ways that we could begin barging pretty quickly that we’re working with the Coast Guard on, we’re not disclosing that for competitive reasons but we think all this talk about the Coast Guard can be put to bed for too long. Unidentified Analyst Can we talk about the price per barrel of disposal trends at the well-head and then transportation pricing as well? Kirk Trosclair Yes, sure, in the immediate onset of the downturn, everything was pretty steady and then going into the second quarter we started feeling quite a bit of a pricing pressure on transportation, that’s always the first thing that hits Michael, across the board out of any [all field] service company is on the transportation side. We’ve seen rates decline in transportation from probably $10 per hour, some places in excess of $15 per hour depending pretty much steady across the board from depending on which type of the truck it is, those have been the rate reductions that we’ve seen. Those are holding pretty steady, I think we’ve finally pretty close to the bottom on that, I don’t know if anyone can really go much further. Gary Evans There’s been some trucking companies going out of business. Kirk Trosclair The number of units out on the road have gone down, the disposal pressure really didn’t show it’s faith, so we actually opened our own wells and all this flow back material went by the wayside and we’re out their chasing production volumes, you have to make some modifications but what we’ve done to combat that is to go to the large E&P companies and even the smaller guard and offer longer term contracts for reduction in rate. So, with that being said, we’ve kind off offset those declines in pricing pressure with longer term contracts which are much beneficial to us. We’ve been offering some discounts from month or two to get them in the door and that’s worked up pretty well. Right now, with again no drilling going on of any significance. There is some pressure. We see that change, there is a dramatic shift going to this dry Utica can emphasize that enough and we think this is a very short list situation. Unidentified Analyst So, we still over $3 a barrel? Gary Evans Yes Kirk Trosclair [Indiscernible] number right here to be — but if you look in the — we were actually $3.39 a barrel for average compared to $3.14 last year. That’s probably peaked, but we raised rates just on the count spot rate to $3.75 last fall and we’re still benefiting from that. Unidentified Company Representative So, you got to see things remain pretty close to around $3 range Gary Evans We’re not talking dramatic, Michael. Unidentified Analyst Okay, alright. And then I suspect that the lender for the $13 million is — you are not paying any cash out so I make sure you’re paying me, do you have to get back to that $1 million of EBITDA, before on a LTM basis, before they would let you do this seriously? Gary Evans No, we have an amendment that’s been executed this morning that gives us flexibility and yours truly will probably be the one putting some more capital in to get back to paying the dividend. So, our goal is to get back to paying those dividends sometime before the end of the year. Unidentified Analyst Okay. And how quickly can you catch up on the accumulated part? Gary Evans We can do it tomorrow, if we wanted to. Unidentified Analyst Okay. Gary Evans There is no — we make sure that the amendment that we just executed gave us lots of flexibility and we have that. Operator Your next question comes from the line of Gene [indiscernible]. Unidentified Analyst Just a couple of questions, I think we haven’t talked about for a while. First is the MLP, is that just the financing that you’ve gotten from your senior lender take that out of the question and what is the status with the IRS? Gary Evans Good question. We definitely believe this business is conducive for an MLP, you’re seeing more and more midstream companies put water business in their portfolios, so I’d midstream, gas gathering processing company and so we are still waiting for our revenue [indiscernible] letter, we’ve had our law firm working with IRS on that, we do believe that is a much cheaper form of financing for us in the future and that will likely not happen in 2015, it will be a 2016 event. Unidentified Analyst Okay. And is there any read through, obviously, you haven’t closed anything but you have — you make it in discussions, Magnum Hunter for the sales 45% [Eureka Hunter], is there any read through that you can get from there, in terms of what the MLP appetite is for these kind of assets, I mean, obviously it’s not exactly like [Eureka Hunter] but it’s not so Gary Evans The appetite for anything in this part of the country is exceptional, we’ll be announcing the eventual winner of the [Eureka Hunter] here over the next week to 10 days hopefully. It’s been a frothy exercise with tremendous amount of interest and we’ve had companies trying to circumvent the process whatever they could do to get the assets, so, we’re obviously trying to get the most value we can and we don’t see anything different with respect to the water business going forward. So, this part of the country is where every midstream guys wants to be because it has the highest growth potential because of the raw characteristics of the region. Unidentified Analyst And I guess along this lines another, I think that you talked about before was the pipeline, you have been working with nature pipeline obviously they couldn’t get the financing, is that still an option for the future and is that the sort of — were you far enough down the road there where you have rights of ways and things like that or is that more just an idea? Gary Evans We did buy any rights to way but we continue to talk to producers about consolidating their trucking operations in certain areas. So, that is still something that we are looking at and pursuing, it’s just the slowdown in activities caused everybody to kind of pull in their reigns a little bit and look at their base of business. So for us, our main focus is to get these wells filled and then we will be looking at these other opportunities. Operator And there are no further audio questions at this time. Gary Evans Thank you operator and thank all of you for listening in. It’s been a bumpy quarter but we did get lot accomplished and we look forward to reporting our ability to fill up our disposal wells going forward and other activities we have going on again. I think the new JV that Magnum is doing with these private equity partners are going to have a huge benefit for GreenHunter in late 2015, early ’16 actually goes for two years or 24 months, so we’re going to continue to keep our costs down, continue to cut them where we can, as Kirk mentioned these new 407 trucks are coming in, we’ll have them fully utilized as they hit the streets because of the type of vehicle they are and we’ll continue to look at adding additional capacities, so you think we’ll, gosh you haven’t filled up your existing wells, why are you looking for new capacity. We know what’s coming and we know we have to have additional capacity, so we’re working hard to do that. So, with that, feel free to call if you have any specific questions to our investor relations area and we’ll get back with you. And thank you for your time today. Operator Ladies and gentlemen, this does concludes today’s conference call and you may now disconnect.