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Why You Should Invest In India ETFs Now

After rough trading so far this year, the Indian market is now showing rays of hope for investors. Worries over monsoon deficiency, the key cause of last year’s upheaval is unlikely to bother this year. Added to this, better-than-expected fiscal fourth-quarter earnings set the stage for India investing on fire lately (read: Fragile Five ETFs Not At All Fragile This Year? ). La Nina: Better Monsoon Expected This Year Last year, lower rains weighed on the all-important agricultural sector. But, the president of the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) recently forecast India GDP growth of 8% for fiscal 2016-17 driven by the usual monsoon. The agency now expects the agricultural sector to expand at the rate of 6% this year. “That adds about 0.5-1% to GDP,” as per CII president. Even Deutsche Bank is supportive of this fact. India is going to face a La Nina event this year, which is the positive phase of the El Niño Southern Oscillation and results in cooler than average sea surface temperatures in the central and eastern tropical Pacific Ocean. It is often seen as the opposite of El Nino (read: 5 ETF Losers of 2015 Hoping for a Rebound in 2016 ). As per the research house , the Indian agricultural sector exhibits a solid correlation with La Nina with average annual rains being higher than the long-term average. The bank noted that agri GDP in La Nina years expanded at an average 7.8% year over year versus an average 2.3% jump seen in years without La Nina. Not only the agricultural sector, Deutsche Bank indicated that GDP, private consumption and investments growth average 8.9%, 7.4%, 10.4% respectively in La Nina years against average growth of 5.8%, 5.2%, 7.2% respectively in years with no La Nina. Earnings Recovery on the Horizon? Nearly 76 BSE 500 companies that came up with earnings releases recently give cues of an earnings recovery. As much as 64.5% of them beat consensus estimates for net profit while 63.2% surpassed the top line. Higher government spending and a rebound in commodity prices have boosted companies’ earnings, per analysts. Though it is too early to take a call over the whole Indian earnings, as of now the trend is positive. Monetary Policy Easing The Reserve Bank of India ( RBI ) lowered its key rate by 25 basis points (bps) to 6.50% on April 5, 2016, to bolster business in the economy. This was the first cut in 2016 followed by four rate cuts in 2015. The rate is now the lowest in over five years. Investors who put more emphasis on slowing GDP data for the U.S. economy for the October-December quarter (7.3% followed by 7.7% growth rate in the prior quarter), will now find some reason to invest in Asia’s third-largest economy. IMF Moderately Bullish The International Monetary Fund, which reduced global growth forecasts recently, maintained the same for India for this year at 7.5% . Steady private consumption is the reason for the organization’s optimism though softer exports and listless credit growth are deterrents to the economy. All these make the case for India investing stronger. While all India ETFs should stand to gain, below we highlight a few ETFs that have chances of outperforming ahead. i Shares S&P India Nifty Fifty Index ETF (NASDAQ: INDY ) The fund looks to track the performance of the top 50 companies by market capitalization in the Indian market. Banks is the top sector in the fund with about 23.2%. The fund has a Zacks Rank #2 (Buy). EGShares India Infrastructure ETF (NYSEARCA: INXX ) Infrastructure stocks and the ETF should also get a boost from monetary easing. As this sector is debt-heavy in nature, a decline in interest rates will favor it. The fund has a Zacks Rank #2. WisdomTree India Earnings ETF (NYSEARCA: EPI ) The fund looks to follow the investment results of profitable companies in the Indian equity market. The fund has a Zacks Rank #2. EGShares India Consumer ETF (NYSEARCA: INCO ) As per the India Brand Equity Foundation , revenues of the consumer durables sector are expected to touch US$12.5 billion in fiscal 2016, up from US$ 9.7 billion in fiscal 2015. Since private consumption is pivotal in India, a look at this consumer ETF is warranted. The fund has a Zacks ETF Rank #3 (Hold). Link to the original post on Zacks.com

What Happens To ‘Hold-N-Hope’ Portfolios When An Economy Struggles To Expand?

Some analysts may dismiss 115 years of economic data. I do not. In particular, if one averages the results of four respected stock valuation methodologies, one finds that stocks are wildly expensive. Greater irrationality in stock price exuberance only existed during conditions prior to the Great Depression circa 1929 and the tech wreck of 2000. Consider the chart below. Based on the analysis by Doug Short, the widely cited Vice President of Research at Advisor Perspectives, the U.S. stock market is overvalued by 76%. It is worth noting that on all three occasions when the aggregate average approached two standard deviations above a geometric mean — 1929, 1999, 2007 — U.S. stocks collapsed by 50% or more. In addition, current valuation extremes surpass those reached in 2007. Investors should be mindful of the fact that Mr. Short does not typically offer “bearish” or “bullish” commentary. He usually provides investment and economic research, allowing others to draw their own conclusions. That said, he has served up bullet points on the high probability that market returns will be low over the next 7-10 years. Mr. Short has also mentioned that tactical asset allocation will be more important in the coming decade, as holding the S&P 500 for the next 7-10 years is likely to be “disappointing.” Keep in mind, elevated valuations in and of themselves may not provide much insight with respect to reducing risk in one’s portfolio. Years of valuation extremes can persist when other factors are at play. (Think central bank interest rate and balance sheet shenanigans.) Nevertheless, an economy that shows signs of stagnation coupled with signs of “risk-off” positioning can break the back of a stock market bull, particularly when interest rate manipulating, balance sheet expanding central banks are only running on fumes. I mentioned that the economy is stagnating and that signs of “risk-off” positioning are evident. Let me first address the economy. Corporations are not increasing their profits, as corporate earnings per share have declined for four consecutive quarters. Business revenue is even more abysmal. Companies have fallen back to 2012 levels with respect to revenue generation, and that does not even adjust for inflation. Click to enlarge Traditional retailers are struggling and some are disappearing (e.g., Wal-Mart, J.C Penney, Sears, Macy’s, Office Depot, Walgreens, Sports Authority, Sports Chalet, Aeropostale, etc.). Oil and gas? Yikes. According to reports on a Deloitte study, one-third of oil corporations may go belly up in 2016. The study focused on some 175-plus companies with more than $150 billion in debt. What about gross domestic product (GDP)? At a pace of 1% over the last six months, it is hardly expanding at all. Even the bright spot of job growth is deteriorating. Consider the Federal Reserve’s own Labor Market Condition’s Index (LMCI), which evaluates 19 unique indicators of labor market health. The LMCI peaked in April of 2014; its intermediate-moving average (6-months) peaked in August of 2014. (Note: S&P 500 earnings per share hit its all-time top in September of 2014, representing Q3 on 9/30/2014). Click to enlarge The 6-month moving average on the LMCI has not rolled into negative territory since the Great Recession (2007-2009). Before that, you’d need to look at the NASDAQ’s tech wreck and 2001 recession (2000-2002) for significant troubles in the well-being of the labor market. Does this mean that a recession is imminent? No. But it sure as heck means that labor market conditions are weakening. With “job growth” having been the one supposed saving grace in a slow-growing economy that required near 0% interest policy for seven-plus years, it seems optimism for a turnaround prior to a sell-off in risky assets would be misplaced. Of course, there are those that are keeping the faith with respect to stocks rallying well into the end of 2016 without a correction or bear. The thinking? As long as the economy muddles through, the Federal Reserve won’t be able to raise rates, and the dollar will move lower in the absence of tightening, and the lower dollar will help businesses increase their overseas sales and profitability. In other words, bad news will be good news for never-say-die hold-n-hopers. Unfortunately, there are a number of problems with the muddle-through scenario. Problemo numero uno? Household debt exceeds disposable personal income. Granted, Americans have been spending more than their take-home pay after taxes since 2001. Yet the modest deleveraging that occurred after the Great Recession has passed us by. Sooner or later, as families continue to accumulate increasing amounts of debt to spend more than they clear via disposable personal income, a retrenchment period comes to pass. Either households will be challenged in accessing credit (involuntary deleveraging) or they themselves will choose to borrow less in spite of ultra-low rates (voluntary deleveraging). Click to enlarge Economic data on consumption shows that the consumer has been softening. Bring disposable personal income into the picture, and the consumer is likely to weaken even more. The second problem for the muddle-through economy dream is the reality that “risk off” investing has been outperforming the U.S. market for 18 months already. 18 months. Consider the fact that three of the best performing assets in the 2008 systemic financial meltdown were the yen, the dollar and long-maturity treasury bonds. You could have invested in each via CurencyShares Yen Trust (NYSEARCA: FXY ), PowerShares Dollar Bullish (NYSEARCA: UUP ) and iShares 20+ Treasury Bond (NYSEARCA: TLT ). Over the last year-and-a-half, all three of these “risk-off” assets have beaten the SPDR S&P 500 Trust (NYSEARCA: SPY ). In sum, stock valuations are exorbitant, business sales are soft, consumption is strained, the labor market is weakening and “risk-off” assets are outperforming. Add it all up? There is limited upside reward for the risk one takes by remaining overexposed to equities and higher-yielding vehicles. If you normally leave 65%-70% in a diversified basket of stock (e.g., large-cap, mid-cap, small-cap, foreign, emerging, etc.), downshift to 45%-50% high quality larger-caps only. If you typically allot 30%-35% to diversified income (e.g., investment grade, cross-over corporate, high-yield, convertible, foreign, etc.), dial it back to 20%-25% investment grade only. The 25%/30%/35% that you raise in cash or cash equivalents by selling riskier assets at relatively higher prices will minimize portfolio volatility. More importantly, it will be the “dry powder” you require to buy “risk-on” assets at more attractive price in the future. Click here for Gary’s latest podcast. Disclosure: Gary Gordon, MS, CFP is the president of Pacific Park Financial, Inc., a Registered Investment Adviser with the SEC. Gary Gordon, Pacific Park Financial, Inc, and/or its clients may hold positions in the ETFs, mutual funds, and/or any investment asset mentioned above. The commentary does not constitute individualized investment advice. The opinions offered herein are not personalized recommendations to buy, sell or hold securities. At times, issuers of exchange-traded products compensate Pacific Park Financial, Inc. or its subsidiaries for advertising at the ETF Expert web site. ETF Expert content is created independently of any advertising relationships.

Xcel Energy (XEL) Benjamin G. S. Fowke on Q1 2016 Results – Earnings Call Transcript

Xcel Energy, Inc. (NYSE: XEL ) Q1 2016 Earnings Call May 09, 2016 10:00 am ET Executives Paul A. Johnson – Vice President-Investor Relations Benjamin G. S. Fowke – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Robert C. Frenzel – Chief Financial Office & Executive Vice President Analysts Ali Agha – SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc. Julien Dumoulin-Smith – UBS Securities LLC Travis Miller – Morningstar, Inc. (Research) Operator Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Xcel Energy First Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call. Today’s call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Paul Johnson, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir. Paul A. Johnson – Vice President-Investor Relations Good morning, and welcome to Xcel Energy’s 2016 first quarter earnings release conference call. Joining me today are Ben Fowke, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Bob Frenzel, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. In addition, we have other members of the management team in the room to answer your questions. This morning, we will review our 2016 first quarter results and update you on recent business and regulatory developments. You may have noticed that our earnings call is a bit later than normal this quarter. We just implemented a new general ledger system, so we built a little extra time into the schedule. We’re pleased to report that everything went very well with the implementation. Today’s press release refers to both ongoing and GAAP earnings. 2015 first quarter ongoing earnings were $0.46 per share, which excludes a charge of $0.16 per share following the decision by the Minnesota Commission in the Monticello nuclear prudence review. GAAP earnings for the first quarter of 2015 were $0.30 per share. As a reminder, some of the comments during today’s conference call may contain forward-looking information. Significant factors that could cause results to differ from those anticipated are described in our earnings release and our filings with the SEC. I’ll now turn the call over to Ben. Benjamin G. S. Fowke – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Well, thank you, Paul, and good morning. Bob will go into more detail later, but in summary, we reported ongoing earnings of $0.47 per share for the quarter, compared to $0.46 per share last year. Overall, it was a solid quarter in which declining O&M expenses offset unfavorable weather and lower than expected sales. While electric sales in the first quarter were below expectations, we expect sales to improve in the second half of the year, and we remain very confident in our ability to deliver earnings within our guidance range. As a result, we are reaffirming our 2016 ongoing earnings guidance of $2.12 to $2.27 per share. As we’ve previously discussed, we are executing on our upside capital investment plan. Later this month, we’ll make a filing with the Colorado Commission to add 600 megawatts of wind generation and associated transmission. This represents a rate base investment of just over $1 billion. In April, the Commission confirmed our interpretation of a Colorado law that allows utilities to own 25% to 50% of incremental renewables without going through a competitive bid process, if the project is developed at a reasonable cost compared to similar renewable sources available in the market. The levelized cost of this wind project including transmission is projected to be below any other existing wind PPAs in the PSCo portfolio. We therefore believe we’ll be able to demonstrate to the Commission and the independent evaluator that this project meets and exceeds the reasonable cost standard and represents tremendous value to our customers. We plan to request a Commission decision by November so that we can capture the full production tax credit benefit for our customers. This capital investment is currently reflected in our upside capital forecast (3:23). If the Commission approves this project, we will move it to our base capital forecast, which will result in rate base growth of 4.5%, a great example of organic and disciplined growth that provides value to shareholders, customers and the economy in our service territory. You should expect us to continue to find investment opportunities of this nature that will drive us to our upside capital goals. Next, I’d like to spend a few minutes recognizing the outstanding efforts of our employees in responding to a major snowstorm in Colorado. In March, Denver and Northern Colorado were hit with a blizzard with 12 to 18 inches of snow and wind gusts over 60 miles per hour that caused approximately 350,000 outages. As a result of proactive planning prior to the storm and the work of over 950 employees and contract crews, we were able to restore service to 90% of our customers within 12 hours, 98% of our customers within 36 hours, and 100% of our customers within 60 hours. This was another example of our world-class storm restoration, and I want to thank all of our employees for their dedication and tremendous efforts to provide excellent customer service and reliability to our customers. Turning to other accomplishments, we recently received several awards that are worth mentioning. In March, the EPA and others recognized Xcel Energy with a 2016 Climate Leadership Award for Excellence in Greenhouse Gas Management. The award acknowledges our commitment and progress in reducing CO2 commissions (sic) emissions. Military Times ranked Xcel Energy as one of the Top Employers of Veterans in 2016. Finally, in April, AWEA named Xcel Energy the number one wind provider of energy for the 12th consecutive year. Finally, we recently announced the hiring of Bob Frenzel as our new Executive Vice President and CFO. Bob brings more than 17 years of experience in energy, banking and consulting in addition to six years of experience as an officer in the U.S. Navy. He most recently served as Senior Vice President and CFO for Luminant. Bob brings a wealth of experience that complements our strategies and our business. He understands our industry and has a proven track record of driving excellent performance and solid growth. Some of the key attributes that Bob brings to the table include strong financial and commercial acumen, excellent strategic vision and execution, an engineering and nuclear background, and an outstanding experience managing cost. He will be a valuable addition to the Xcel Energy team. I think it’s important to recognize that our strategic plans and priorities are not changing. We will continue to focus on organically growing our regulated operations and maintaining the disciplined financial approach you’ve come to expect from us. I also want to recognize the outstanding service and contributions of Teresa Madden, who is retiring after a career spanning 36 years. Teresa played a major role in building our track record of delivering on our value proposition and she leaves a solid platform for continued strong results. We’re very grateful for her many contributions and we wish her much happiness in her retirement. So I’ll now turn the call over to Bob to provide more detail on our financial results and outlook in addition to our regulatory update. Bob? Robert C. Frenzel – Chief Financial Office & Executive Vice President Thanks, Ben, for that introduction. I’m very excited to join Xcel and I’m honored to follow in Teresa’s footsteps. I commit to continuing Xcel’s long tradition of delivering on our financial objectives and growing earnings in a low risk, transparent and predictable manner. Now, let’s get to the details of the quarter. As Ben indicated, we reported ongoing earnings of $0.47 per share for the quarter as compared to $0.46 per share last year. The most significant drivers in the quarter include the following. Improved electric margins increased earnings by $0.06 per share; this was largely due to interim rates in Minnesota and capital rider revenue for recovery of capital investment, partially offset by unfavorable weather. Higher gas margins in our gas segment increased earnings by $0.01 per share, which is primarily due to rate increases from higher rate base, partially offset by unfavorable weather. Lower O&M expenses increased earnings by $0.01 per share, which reflects cost management and some timing-related issues. Partially offsetting these positive drivers was higher depreciation expense, which reduced earnings by $0.06 per share, primarily reflecting depreciation from new capital investment. Turning to our sales results, although the economy in our region remains strong and we continue to add customers, our weather-adjusted electric sales declined by 0.3%. Further adjusting for the impact of an extra day of sales in the quarter due to leap year, our weather-adjusted electric sales actually declined by 1.4%. The decline in sales is largely driven by lower use per customer from energy efficiency, an increase in the number of multi-family units, the impact of distributed solar and the impact on consumption of lower oil and natural gas prices on some of our larger customers. As a result, we have lowered our full-year electric sales growth assumption to 0.5% from 0.5% to 1% range. We continue to expect positive sales growth for the full year in all jurisdictions, due to customer growth as well as planned expansion from some of our larger customers. In addition to lowering our sales assumptions, we’ve also taken actions to lower our full-year O&M expenses. We implemented plans early in the year to offset the impact of the rate reduction in Texas as well as unfavorable weather and lower sales growth. As a result, we now expect to limit our annual O&M expenses to 0% to 1% increase for the full year. As we continue to strive to close our ROE gap, we have been pretty active on the regulatory front. Let me provide you a quick update. There are additional details included in our earnings release. In Wisconsin, we recently filed a case seeking an electric rate increase of $17.4 million and a natural gas increase of $4.8 million. This is a limited scope case, and ROE and capital structure are not expected to be an issue. The decision is expected by December, with final rates effective in January of 2017. We also have pending rate cases in Minnesota and in Texas. Both cases are in the discovery stage, and as a result, there aren’t any material new developments. Finally, we recently filed a settlement in our New Mexico rate case, which was reached between SPS, the staff, and other parties. The black box settlement reflects a non-fuel base rate increase of $23.5 million. The settlement represents a compromise which we think is reasonable. The New Mexico Commission is expected to rule on the settlement later this year and new rates are expected to go into effect in August. As Ben mentioned, we are reaffirming our 2016 ongoing earnings guidance with no changes. However, as I previously mentioned, we have updated several of the key assumptions, including electric sales and O&M expenses as detailed in our earnings release. Also, please note that we’ve reduced our assumption for capital rider recovery to reflect the transfer of some pipeline recovery from the rider to base rates as part of our last Colorado natural gas rate case. The transfer has no material impact on earnings. In summary, it was a good quarter for the company. Continued vigilance on cost management resulted in lower O&M expenses, which offset unfavorable weather and sluggish sales to deliver solid first quarter earnings. We made significant progress to convert some of our upside capital to base capital with a planned filing to own 600 megawatts of wind in Colorado. We anticipate a Commission decision later this year. Finally, we remain on track to deliver ongoing earnings solidly within our 2016 guidance range. This concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, we’ll now take questions. Question-and-Answer Session Operator Thank you. We’ll go first to Ali Agha at SunTrust. Ali Agha – SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc. Thank you, good morning. Benjamin G. S. Fowke – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Good morning, Ali. Robert C. Frenzel – Chief Financial Office & Executive Vice President Good morning, Ali. Ali Agha – SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc. Good morning, Ben. Good morning. First question, the sluggish sales growth that you alluded to in the first quarter, anything specific – I know it’s early in the year and it’s a small quarter, but that would give you that confidence that we’re still going to end up on the positive for the year given the negative start to the first quarter? Benjamin G. S. Fowke – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Sure, Ali. It’s really the result of conversations our account managers have had with our large commercial and industrial accounts. So we know we’re going to be seeing more load come on in the second half of the year. Ali Agha – SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc. Okay. Okay, and you highlighted the earned ROE through the LTM ending in March 31. Can you just remind us what kind of regulatory lag that would translate into? Benjamin G. S. Fowke – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Well, it’s about 90 basis points of lag. And again, as you know, our goal is to cut the lag by 50 basis points by 2018, and Ali, I think we remain on track with that. If you look at Colorado, I think we are on track. The Minnesota case here should put us on track and we will continue to work diligently at SPS to get that on track including filing of cases that take advantage of new legislation in forward test years in Minnesota – I mean in New Mexico. Ali Agha – SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc. And Ben, this Colorado wind filing, are you anticipating much opposition there or I mean is it pretty much a done deal, all you need to do is show the numbers? Can you just handicap us like how we should think about this filing and the approval? Benjamin G. S. Fowke – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Well, I’d never say it’s a done deal. You need Commission approval, but Ali, in tune to the first part of your question, this project has tremendous community support and it’s going to create tremendous value for our customers in fuel savings, even if you look at the lower gas forecast. So we’re excited about it, and the community and our stakeholders are excited about it, so we’re very confident this is going to go through. Ali Agha – SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc. Okay and last question, when should we start to see some of the other growth investments that you’ve highlighted for us start to show up in terms of filings and potential move into base CapEx? Benjamin G. S. Fowke – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Well, some of that will come through resource plans. I mean that’s the big part of it – filings for grid monetization opportunities that we might be out there to capture value for our customers. So I mean I think you’ll see it over the next 12 months basically. Ali Agha – SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc. Okay. Thank you. Operator We’ll go next to Michael Weinstein with UBS. Julien Dumoulin-Smith – UBS Securities LLC Hey. It’s actually Julien here. Good morning. Benjamin G. S. Fowke – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Hi. How are you? Robert C. Frenzel – Chief Financial Office & Executive Vice President Hey, Julien. Julien Dumoulin-Smith – UBS Securities LLC Good. Thank you. Hey. I wanted to follow up – a couple quick questions here. Can you elaborate a little bit on your eligibility to participate more than 25% to 50% in Colorado? What would the requirements there be, and elaborate a little bit more on the requirements of that 25% to 50% and what that threshold would be? And then, perhaps, a separate related question would be, the latest on solar, and specifically community solar in Colorado, and any opportunity to own or rate base those assets. Benjamin G. S. Fowke – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Okay. Well, let’s start, Julien, with the 25% to 50% standard of the Colorado legislation. The 25% standard is just – is the reasonable cost standard that I mentioned in my prepared remarks. The 50% standard – without going through a competitive bid, you need to show economic value to the community. And I think you asked, can you do more than that? Yeah, you potentially could do more than that. But at this point, we would anticipate you’d have to go through a competitive RFP to do that. And that doesn’t mean we can’t prevail on that. But that’s the law that we were referring to. So we’re pleased with that. Now you asked about community solar gardens. At this point, we don’t have plans to buy any of those projects or provide any of those projects. It doesn’t mean we couldn’t, but – nothing would prevent us, but it’s not something we’ve been actively pursuing at this point. Robert C. Frenzel – Chief Financial Office & Executive Vice President The other point, Ali – or Julien, we will be making a resource plan filing later this spring and we will potentially include some solar in as part of that resource plan, so we’ll go forward with that too. Julien Dumoulin-Smith – UBS Securities LLC Got it. And then just following a little bit on the first quarter results themselves. Obviously, little bit further from plan on the normalized, and it’s always tough to read tea leaves, but what stood out if you were to go back and try to rehash things in terms of factors driving that negative delta? Benjamin G. S. Fowke – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Julien, you broke up a little bit. Were you asking what drove the negative sales outlook? Julien Dumoulin-Smith – UBS Securities LLC Yeah or was there a specific factor more than others? I know you delineated a few there, but was there one that stood out? Benjamin G. S. Fowke – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Well, I mean other than the factors that we mentioned, there’s always the art versus science of capturing weather and the impact of weather, and we did have some significant mild weather in the quarter, so I’m not sure you can ever fully scrub that out. We follow the formulaic approach, which is blessed by our commissions, but there’s always some potential for anomalies. Julien Dumoulin-Smith – UBS Securities LLC Got it. All right. Thank you. Operator We’ll go next to Travis Miller with Morningstar Financial. Benjamin G. S. Fowke – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Hi, Travis. Travis Miller – Morningstar, Inc. (Research) Good morning, thank you. I guess I’ll continue on this demand question line here. If you think about that flat type demand, even 0.5% demand, if that continues for not just this year, but let’s say the next two years to three years, how does that put you in position for closing that 50 basis point gap? Does that require more rate cases? Does it require you to change the types of requests you’re making, the capital investment? Can you just walk me through kind of how that picture would play out? Benjamin G. S. Fowke – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Well, I think it does a number of things, but we’ve been anticipating relatively flat sales in our outlook for quite some time now, Travis, so our ability to close the ROE gap assumes that we are not going to have robust sales to bail us out. So it means you have to manage your O&M carefully, and we are and we will continue to do that, and in fact I think we’re in the early days of cost management. We will make sure our resource plans reflect those kinds of sales growth opportunities, so we don’t overbuild. And of course as you know, we have decoupling mechanisms here on the electric side in Minnesota, which are helpful as well. So there’s a number of things you can do from a regulatory standpoint and from an internal management standpoint, and of course from a resource planning standpoint, and that’s the environment we anticipate being in. Travis Miller – Morningstar, Inc. (Research) Okay. And then just mix between residential and C&I, what’s approximately your margin mix, I guess, is the simplest way to put it? When commercial and industrial is 1.5%, residential is down 1.1%, how does that translate into profitability, if you get kind of where I’m going there? Benjamin G. S. Fowke – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Let me try to – I ask my team if they can help me with this one. I’ll have a much higher profit margin in the residential, and then when you get to the C&I, it really depends on which customer you’re talking about and which jurisdiction. For example, the largest industrial customer is in SPS. The sales there will have the most minimal impact on margin, if anybody can help further define that for Travis a bit. Robert C. Frenzel – Chief Financial Office & Executive Vice President Yeah, I mean, Travis, if you think about it, the rate per megawatt hour for residential customer is probably going to be somewhere around that $0.11 range and large C&I customer is probably going to be more in that $0.07 range. So it’s pretty different revenue stream. Benjamin G. S. Fowke – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer And they pay a larger demand charge too, so variable sales tend to be more of the energy – it’s more the energy pass-through than it is the high margin that you’re getting with residential. Travis Miller – Morningstar, Inc. (Research) Yeah. Okay. Great. I appreciate the thoughts. Operator We’re standing by. With no further questions at this time, I would like to turn the conference back to Bob Frenzel for any closing or additional comments. Robert C. Frenzel – Chief Financial Office & Executive Vice President Thank you for participating in our earnings call this morning. I look forward to meeting many of you over the next few weeks at the Deutsche Bank and AGA conferences. If you have any questions in the interim, please contact Paul Johnson with any follow-ups. Benjamin G. S. Fowke – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Thanks, everyone. Operator This does conclude today’s call. We do thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Copyright policy: All transcripts on this site are the copyright of Seeking Alpha. However, we view them as an important resource for bloggers and journalists, and are excited to contribute to the democratization of financial information on the Internet. (Until now investors have had to pay thousands of dollars in subscription fees for transcripts.) 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