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Australia ETFs In Focus On Likely Snap Elections

While the global economy is on a recovery path with solid improvements across most countries, the development in Australia might block the mending road in the coming months. This is especially true given signs of political issues in the country with the Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull threatening to snap elections. Turnbull has been trying to pass labor reform bills aimed at curbing union corruption in the building and construction industry, but was rejected several times by the Senate. Now, the prime minister has recalled parliament from a break for a special session on April 18 to vote on these ongoing controversial bills. The bills would re-establish the Australian Building and Construction Commission and establish the Registered Organizations Commission that is vital for the country’s economic growth. If the bills are still blocked, he will dissolve both the houses of parliament (Senate and the House of Representatives) and call for early election on July 2. The move would mark the first Australian double dissolutions since 1987, throwing all the 150 lower house seats and 76 senate seats open for vote. The news of double dissolution election came at the time when the latest Newspoll showed that Malcolm Turnbull’s approval rating as prime minister has slipped to the negative territory for the first time, though he remains by far the most preferred prime minister to manage the economy and deliver a tax reform. ETFs in Focus Given heightened political uncertainty over the snap elections, investors may want to take a closer look at the ETFs targeting this nation. iShares MSCI Australia ETF (NYSEARCA: EWA ) This fund is the most popular and liquid ETF tracking the Australian equity market with an AUM of $1.4 billion and average daily volume of more than 3 million shares. It tracks the MSCI Australia Index and holds 73 stocks in its basket with double-digit allocations to the top two firms. Other firms hold less than 6.6% share in the basket. From a sector look, financials dominates the fund’s return at 53.1% followed by materials (12.8%). It charges 47 bps in annual fees and has gained 4.6% so far in the year. It has a Zacks ETF Rank of 3 or “Hold” rating with a Medium risk outlook. iShares Currency Hedged MSCI Australia ETF (NYSEARCA: HAUD ) This ETF targets the Australian equity market without the currency risk. It follows the MSCI Australia 100% Hedged to USD Index and is basically a holding of EWA with currency hedged tacked on. The fund has accumulated $9.7 million in its asset base since its inception in June 2015 and charges 51 bps in annual fees. Volume is paltry as it exchanges less than 7,000 shares on average daily basis. It has lost 1.8% so far this year. First Trust Australia AlphaDEX ETF (NYSEARCA: FAUS ) This fund employs an AlphaDEX methodology and ranks stocks in the space by various growth and value factors, eliminating the bottom-ranked 25% of the stocks. This is easily done by tracking the NASDAQ AlphaDEX Australia Index and the approach results in a basket of 40 stocks that are widely spread out across various components with each security holding less than 4.6% of assets. Here again, financials takes the top spot at 34.2% while the consumer discretionary and materials sectors round of the next two with double-digit exposure each. FAUS is an unpopular and less liquid option with an AUM of only $2.9 million and average daily volume of around 1,000 shares. Expense ratio comes in at 0.80%. The fund has shed 0.8% in the year-to-date time frame and has a Zacks ETF Rank of 3 with a Medium risk outlook. WisdomTree Australia Dividend ETF (NYSEARCA: AUSE ) This fund follows the WisdomTree Australia Dividend Index and offers targeted exposure to high dividend-paying companies in the Australian equity market. It has been able to manage assets of $33.9 million and trades in paltry volume of 4,000 shares a day on average. Expense ratio comes in at 0.58%. Holding 65 stocks in its basket, the product is widely diversified across each component as none of these holds more than 3.43% of assets. Sector-wise, it has a definite tilt toward financials at 22.5%, followed by materials (15.3%), consumer discretionary (14.1%) and industrials (14.0%). The fund has gained 9% so far this year and has a Zacks ETF Rank of 3 with a Medium risk outlook. Original post

The Rational Vs. Irrational Investor

By Kevin Hansen, Director Business Development – Retirement Solutions, Principal Financial Group, Principal Funds Distributor, Inc. On occasion, we all make questionable decisions and reach incorrect assumptions. Often, this is due to cognitive biases – built-in tendencies that we all share. Many social psychologists believe cognitive biases help us process information more efficiently. But in some situations, these biases can lead us to make serious mistakes. When it comes to investing, it’s important to recognize (and hopefully avoid) the negative impact of cognitive biases on your financial decisions. I highlight four of these biases below and point out some rational responses to counteract them. Irrational Bias 1: Overconfidence Investors who see their portfolios rising for extended periods can easily forget previous down markets. This overconfidence can lead them to make risky decisions. Research shows that men are particularly vulnerable to this bias. According to Brad M. Barber, Professor of Finance at the UC Davis Graduate School of Management: “Men tend to be more overconfident than women, and overconfident investors tend to think they know more than they actually do.” Rational Response In these situations, revisiting your comfort level with risk could help you get your confidence in check. A quick call or email to your financial professional could also give you added insights. Irrational Bias 2: Anchoring The concept of anchoring revolves around people’s tendency to cling to a single piece of information during the decision-making process. This is often the first information they encounter. Once the “anchor” is set, other judgments are made based on that anchor. Consider an investor who first encounters a mutual fund that is priced at $22 a share. If the price of that fund later drops to $18.50, that person may think he or she has found a “bargain.” In reality, however, the original $22 price may have been overvalued. Rational Response Evaluate an investment based on a variety of fundamental metrics over time. Focus on the overall asset allocation plan and less on the day-by-day prices of individual investment options. Irrational Bias 3: Loss Aversion As Nobel-Prize winner Daniel Kahneman discovered, a loss generates 2.25 times more pain than the pleasure generated by an equivalent gain. A loss of $1,000, for instance, could only be offset emotionally by a gain of at least $2,250. This level of emotional “pain” could easily lead an investor to sell during periods of volatility – just to make the pain stop. Rational Response Focus on your goals for the long term to help avoid this pitfall. Irrational Bias 4: Mental Accounting Our brains have a natural tendency to organize information. When it comes to money, we tend to view some assets as being different from others based on their source or intended use. This can be helpful for investors who set aside a specific amount of money each month for retirement or another goal. That money is off the table, in a sense, because it’s in their mental “savings” box. In other situations, however, this can work against investors. A modest but unexpected inheritance is a good example. Because those inherited assets aren’t part of the investor’s current financial plan, he or she may feel like it’s “fun money,” even though investing those assets could go a long way toward helping the investor achieve an important financial goal. Rational Response Working with a financial professional on a “save some/spend some” plan to help overcome this bias. The Payoff Of Rational Thinking Emotional investing can be costly. Taking a rational approach, on the other hand, can help you focus on the essential elements of successful investing – a diversified approach and a focus on the long term. Asset allocation and diversification do not ensure a profit or protect against a loss. Principal Funds, Inc. is distributed by Principal Funds Distributor, Inc.

Alterra Power’s (MGMXF) CEO John Carson on Q4 2015 Results – Earnings Call Transcript

Alterra Power Corp ( OTCPK:MGMXF ) Q4 2015 Earnings Conference Call March 16, 2016 11:30 AM ET Executives Ross Beaty – Executive Chairman John Carson – CEO Lynda Freeman – CFO Lindsay Murray – Interim CFO Jay Sutton – Head of Hydro Paul Rapp – Head of Geothermal and Wind Operations Murray Kroeker – Head of Engineering and Solar Jon Schintler – Head Project Finance Analysts Marin Katusa – KCR Fund Steven Hong – National Bank Operator Good morning, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Alterra Power Corp Fourth Quarter Results Conference Call. At this time all lines are in a listen-only mode. But following the presentation we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Note that this call is being recorded on Wednesday March 16, 2016. And I would like to turn the conference over to Ross Beaty. Please go ahead sir. Ross Beaty Thank you very much operator and good morning ladies and gentlemen, I’d like to extend my own welcome to you for joining us at Alterra’s fourth quarter and year-end results 2015 conference call. Before I get going, I want to point out that we have a lot, we’ll be making some forward looking statements today and I’ll point you to the discloser statement in our MD&A financial results materials for this call and news release. We certainly seek Safe Harbor under forward looking statements. So I’m going to start by saying that our 2015 results were heavily affected by foreign exchange losses due to the strength of U.S. dollars against the Canadian Dollar and the Icelandic ISK. These results mask what was really our best year ever, in revenue growth, production results and operational growth. As we financed and completed construction of Shannon Winter Farm in Texas and continue to do successful development of our Jimmie Creek, the hydro project in British Columbia and made big investment in Iceland, that will collectively result in continuing growth across the board in 2016 and future years. So I’m now going to let our great management team in Vancouver tell you more about our 2015 results and outlook. Starting with Alterra’s CEO, John Carson. John over to you. John Carson Thanks Ross, and I echo your thoughts about this being a successful quarter for us. I’d like to introduce the management team that will be joining me on the call here as well. First our CFO, Lynda Freeman, who is back with us full-time. Secondly though our recently moved, Interim CFO, Lindsay Murray who did a great job in Linda’s absence, so both of them are here with us and we are very fortunate to have both of them on our team. Over on the asset side we have Jay Sutton, our Head of Hydro, and Paul Rapp our Head of Geothermal and Wind Operations. As well as Murray Kroeker who is our Head of Engineering and Solar. And then also Jon Schintler who heads our project finance teams. To start the presentation I’d first like to call your attention to the cover of the presentation which you found on our Web site, just to see the asset, the Jimmie Creek asset under construction. It’s a very exciting time for our company as this asset is under construction and there you see the intake at the top of the asset and this is just an early stage of construction still, but you can see that it’s really quite developed already and we are on target to deliver this project ahead of schedule and on budget or ahead of budget by the summer of 2016, so very exciting time for the company. With that I’d like to turn to a review of our 2015 year-end financials and Lynda Freeman is going to provide that. Lynda, over to you. Lynda Freeman Thanks John and good morning everyone. 2015 was a busy but exciting year for Alterra. You’ll hear throughout presentation about the successful completion of construction of Shannon, the ongoing construction of Jimmie Creek, which is on time and on budget and about the strong performance of our operating assets. All of these factors had a significant impact on the annual results of the company as released yesterday. Before I go into more detail on these topics, I’ll start my presentation with the discussion on the operating results of the company on a consolidated basis. To those of you following on the presentation, Slide 4. The company’s consolidated revenue growth profit and adjusted EBITDA rolled down against 2014. However, I must highlight that this decline is almost entirely driven by unfavorable foreign exchange movements, with the Canadian Dollar and Icelandic krona weakening 19% and 13% respectively against the U.S. dollar. Other income and expenses remained consistent year-on-year, despite the significant movement to balances that within that cash. Specifically, non-cash movements in the embedded derivative, foreign exchange and non-recurring write-offs in the prior year. The company continues to record results from operating projects Toba Montrose and Dokie 1 as equity investments and in 2015 included the results of Shannon from commencement of operations on December 10th to the end of the year. That brings me on to talk about Shannon. During the year the Company went from owning 100% of a construction asset on January 1st to owning 50% equity interest in a fully operating project in December. To get to that point the Company completed construction financing, tax equity investment and incidental power hedge during the year. With commencement of commercial operation in December, this was shortly followed by full funding of tax equity on December 14th and resulted in a return of capital to Alterra of $3.5 million for unused construction contingency. Including this return of capital, the Company has invested $59 million in Shannon for our 50% fund-to-equity. Consistent with the previous period the Company believes the clearest view of our operating results is by looking at the net interest results by reflecting our ownership interest to Toba Montrose of 40%, HS Orka 66.6%, Dokie 1 25.5%, and now Shannon at 50%, reflecting our 50% sponsor equity in the project, as demonstrated on Slide 6 and 7 for those of you following our presentation. Fleet wide performance was 99.6% budgeted generation with record high generation at both Toba Montrose and Dokie 1. Once again the effect of the strong U.S. dollar can be seen in our results with revenue and adjusted EBITDA down year-on-year. Net interest in revenue was down 16% to $71.6 million and we recorded adjusted EBITDA of $37 million down 10% against 2014. I would like to highlight that in originating our functional currency, the operating results of Toba Montrose, Dokie 1, and HS Orka were all up year-on-year as presented in Slide 8, with increased generation at Toba Montrose and Dokie 1 and greater retail sales at HS Orka driving the increase. Moving away from our strong operating results to our balance sheet and Slide 9 in the presentation, we recorded net assets of $199 million at December 31st against $214 million in the prior year with foreign exchange and the fair value of the embedded derivatives the key drivers for the reduction in value. Looking at our cash and working capital, you will note that our cash position declined significantly. This was due to the investment in Shannon, repayment of loan to HS Orka and capital spent. At December 31st the Company is showing a negative working capital of $123 million due to the inclusion of the Company’s holding Company bonus held by Magma Energy Sweden of $180 million being classified as a current liability. These bonus were issued in conjunction with the acquisition of HS Orka back in 2010 and they’ve become due in July and December of this year. The bonds are non-recourse for the Company and are secured on a portion of our shares held of HS Orka. The Company is in the process of refinancing the bonds. However if the Company is not able to or elects to not refinancing the ISK bond which becomes due in July, the Company would lose 1 billion shares of HS Orka and our interest would fall to 53.9% we would continue to consolidate the results of HS Orka in this instance. Should the Company be unable to or elect to not finance either of the bonds then our share in HS Orka would be reduced to 21.8% and we would no longer consolidate their results. We do not see this as a likely outcome. Excluding the bonds in HS Orka from working capital, the Company has a positive working capital of just over $2 million. In addition, the Company received project dividends from Toba Montrose and Dokie 1 of over CAD5 million in early 2016. The Company has access to additional funds to finance further development including additional holding Company level debt and use of the revolving line of credit which has a current unused capacity of CAD20 million. Moving on to long-term debt on Slide 11. The Company through HS Orka has continued to lay down debt with over $17 million paid off in 2015. I just like to remind everyone that HS Orka is quickly paying off its outstanding debt with repayments falling significantly over the next few years. I refer you to Appendix 1 for details of repayments. HS Orka has significant leverage to support additional financing due to the reduction in the debt over the years. All other long-term debt both at hold current and project level have met all required debt service and covenant requirements. The last Slide and item that I am going to talk to is the inclusion of forecasted results to 2016 and ’17 in our MD&A. This is the first time we’ve included the outlook and we hope our investors find the information useful. The Company is forecasting net interest and generation of 1,610 gigawatt hours and 1,706 gigawatt hours in 2017, up 29% and 37% for 2016 and ’17 respectively largely due to the recognition of 12 months generation from Shannon and the inclusion of Jimmie Creek which is expected to come online in the summer of 2016. In addition, generation forecast reflects successful reinjection at Reykjanes and new production wells at Svartsengi. Based on internal budgets and forecast management expect the adjusted EBITDA on a net interest basis to grow 10% in 2016 and 30% in 2017 due to inclusion of Shannon and Jimmie Creek and an expected margin increase at HS Orka due to lower forecast power purchases following the increase in forecast generation. Regarding all other assumptions I refer you to our management discussion and analysis for full details. That concludes my update I now hand it up to John. John Carson Thanks Lindsay, Great. Thanks very much for that and now we’re going to move on to the operating section. I’m going to turn over to Jay Sutton to let us know what’s happening on the hydro side starting with Toba Montrose. Jay? Jay Sutton Thanks John. Referring to Slide 13, TMGP had a successful fourth quarter of 2015 producing 81 gigawatt hours of energy versus our forecast of 83 gigawatt hours and achieving our annual generation target on 8th of October which was 10 days ahead of the record set in 2014. The fourth quarter capped off an exceptional year with the plants generating a 111% of our 2015 forecast and establishing a new generation record of 792 gigawatt hours. We continue to make improvements for the plant, increase efficiency and generation, we spent the last two months performing annual maintenance in preparation for the higher inflows that will start in April. Our flow utilization and availability which are key measures of the plant performance both remain above 95%. For 2016 we’re at 91% of our forecast generation through the end of February and the snow packs above the long term average for this time of year. So we’re looking forward to a good generation through the spring and summer. Our crews continue to operate and maintain the plant safely and within our environmental commitments and we are now well over two years without a recordable incident for our employees or our contractors. That’s it for Toba Montrose, John. Back over to you. John Carson Great, with that let’s turn over to look at the Wind and Geothermal operation side, Paul Rapp. Paul Rapp Thanks John. I direct everyone to Slide 14 for our Shannon project. Shannon was a huge highlight for the company as Ross said in the introduction. In 2015 we completed construction on schedule and on budget and commenced commercial operations at Shannon on December 10th, 2015. This facility is operating very well. We’ve contracted with GE to provide wind turbine and balance plant maintenance at Shannon and the GE team onsite is doing a great job. Generation has tracked very close to plan for the first three months of operation and we were at 97% of plan year to date at the end of February. Turbine availability has also been high averaging over 97% year to date. We’ve had very few break in issues with the turbines or with the balance of plant. We are currently selling our power into the merchant market in Texas until the start of our hedge in June. Current merchant pricing is lower than forecasted historically low gas prices, but we expect this impact will largely go away upon commencement of our hedge in June. I’ll move on to our DC operations here. Dokie 1 on Slide 15. So the Dokie wind farm had a great year, performed exceptionally well in 2015 and achieved 339.8 gigawatts hours of generation or a 103% of the annual planned generation. This is the highest annual generation for Dokie since COD. Because of this Alterra receives an additional earn out payment of $750,000 from Axiom Infrastructure which was associated with the sale of 50% of our interest in Dokie two years ago. That sales agreement allowed for an additional payment of $750,000 per year for the three years following the sale when Dokie wind farm achieved greater than planned generation. So that was a nice little bonus for us. Strong production continues in 2016 and year to date production is 98% of plan through the end of February. Our assets [ph] continue to do a good job of maintaining our turbines at Dokie and at 2015 availability averaged 96%. Overall the Dokie facility continues to operate well with no safety or environmental issues and no significant equipment issues. I’ll switch over to highlights of our geothermal operations in Iceland now. Please refer to Slide 16. So both Svartsengi and Reykjanes plants performed well in 2015 and the overall production was 95.5% of plan for the year. Year to date we’re 101% of plan. Highlights at the Svartsengi plant for the year included drilling of two new wells, Svartsengi 25 and 26, both of which are showing very promising indications for production. The holes were just recently completed and down haul logging and flow testing is underway in these holes and we expect at least one of these holes will be connected to the plant in 2016. There’s ongoing construction at Svartsengi of a new discharge facility which will dispose of brine from the plant and this will allow for extraction of more geothermal fluid from the field and potential increase in power production from the plant as well. Over at Reykjanes we completed just in the last few weeks the reinjection pipeline that’s been under construction for a while there and this connects the plant to the previously completed RN 33 and RN 34 well area. Reinjection has commenced into those wells and will be ramped up over the next short while to provide pressure support to the Reykjanes field. That’s it from me. John I’ll hand it back to you. John Carson Great. Over to you Jay for a construction update at Jimmy Creek. Jay Sutton Thanks John. Referring to page 17, contractors working at Jimmy Creek made great progress in Q4 of 2015 and the civil portion of the project is now nearly complete. So the contractors have started to demobilize from the site and we are starting to reduce the size of the camp as the number of workers onsite decreases. We completed construction of the intake in January and filled the head pond in early March. We are currently performing final commissioning tests on the gates and the contractors are cleaning up the intake and demobilizing. On the Penstock, construction and remediation are both complete. We’ll perform a final lock through of the Penstock actually next week and are scheduled to fill and pressure test the Penstock by the end of March. In February we completed construction of the switch yard and performed final testing and commissioning of all the switch yard and transmission line equipment. The Jimmy Creek plant was connected to the Toba Montrose transmission line on the 1st of March and then at the powerhouse installation of the turbine generation of about 75% complete and you can see in the photo there the insulation of the starter over top of running of Jimmie Creek 2 and the contractors are now performing final electrical insulations and mechanical piping to prepare the units for testing and commissioning which we expect to start in April. As John mentioned, the project remains on budget and schedule and we’re looking forward to generating electricity in the second quarter of 2016. Over to you John. John Carson Thanks Jay. And now I’m going get to the section of looking ahead and where our energy to focus here in 2016. Before I do that, we need to make one correction in the presentation that was posted this morning. On Slide 12 in the outlook table we had a defunked table actually and I just like to clarify the numbers and these are the numbers that are identical with what we have in our news release and our MD&A generation for 2016 is 17, at 1,600 gigawatt hours and 1,700 gigawatt hours respectively. Total revenue is 92 million and 100 million respectively and adjusted EBITDA is 41 million and 48 million respectively. The presentation is being uploaded or re-updated as we speak and the correct numbers will be in that table. Apologies for that inconvenience there. Now looking to Slide 18, looking ahead. As most of you may have heard, there has been an extension of two renewable generation incentives in the United States which plays right into what we like to do which is to displace carbon generating activities with our clean renewable power projects. It was a two year plus tail extension of both the production tax credit which is typically used for wind projects and the investment tax credit which is typically used for solar projects. This really opens up the playing field for Alterra and plays right into our expertise of having a deep understanding of tax focused transactions such as the one we used at Shannon. And so we are directing our energies there and we’re working on several projects in the USA. First on the Greenfield side, we did lock up two projects with land leases very recently and we projected these two projects can have a capacity of up to 350 megawatts and we’re looking at other Greenfield projects currently as well. So this has been a major boon for us and we’ve decided to take advantage of it by ramping up on the Greenfield side. Also we’re analyzing several development stage acquisition opportunities in the states some of these are wind in fact most of them are, some of them are solar, but most all of these projects that we’re currently analyzing for acquisition are in the USA. Our teams are very busy working on this right now and really crystallizing what our next near term growth pipeline is going to look like. And finally in both Canada and Iceland we are advancing multiple hydro development projects such as Tahumming in British Columbia and Breuer, Verkin and Cavallo [ph] in Iceland. We’re very excited about these opportunities and looking forward to where we can really find the most opportunistic advancements for our development pipeline and we’ll also look at expansion on to our geothermal project we’ve long been discussing our Reykjanes plant and potential expansions there. There is one potential expansion the first portion of it which doesn’t involve drilling any new wells it’s basically just adding on a binary power unit to the existing facility there and we’re currently working that one as well. So what we see here at Alterra is really a good platform for growth in North America especially in the United States and we are fully exploring it, taking advantage of it and working to maximize our opportunities there for our shareholders to grow new and profitable projects that are generating clean renewable energy. With that we’re through with the core of our comments. Ross, I’ll turn it back over to you. Ross Beaty Okay. Thank you very much John. And I think I’ll just wind it up as John [technical difficulty], a good year operations last year and those results trying to somewhat by the flows on foreign exchange fluctuations to the U.S. dollar but certainly are setting ourselves a great year in 2016 and ’17 and beyond. So with that operator I think I’ll close the call presentation and open it to questions now. Question-and-Answer Session Operator Thank you, Sir [Operator Instructions]. Please stand by for your first question, which will be coming from Marin Katusa at KCR Fund. Please go ahead. Marin Katusa Ross and John great work guys, couple of quick questions. No mentioned of the dividends where we’re at with that? Ross Beaty So Marin we’re still debating that at our board level, we had more business of course had extensive discussion on that and we haven’t resolved yet what we’re going to do. Of course we’re disappointed that the foreign exchange strengths in the dollar our initial strength in the U.S. dollar has turned our free cash flow when described in U.S. dollar terms and to some repayouts impacting our deliberations on dividend. So right now, it’s a, watch this space kind of thing and we’ll have to report later on that. Marin Katusa Any hedging strategy that you guys are looking at, for the FX? John Carson Currently no hedging plans in effect as of today. You know it’s something that we monitor closely but I think you know that we don’t see or project any substantial currency movements in the near term. Lynda anything else to add there? Lynda Freeman The only thing I’d add is that currency fluctuations we’re seeing, mainly in our reporting currency, that’s a big impact that we say [Multiple Speakers]. John Carson That’s right and originating currencies as Lynda explained, we’re quite profitable in fact doing better. Marin Katusa Got you. Now the second quarter I got John, specifically to you. This really spit out the green field wind development the least for two U.S. projects up to 350. That’s very significant but what else can you tell us about it. Where, what and knowing Ross I’m sure he’s got a plan to how to finance that. Is Berkshire in the works or Starwood, like what’s the plan there, that’s pretty significant? John Carson Sure, it’s this two new projects we know purposely waiting to release more details, just a little bit later. We’re looking at multiple locations in the USA, for those more information to come on the precise locations. With respect to financing you mentioned Berkshire Hathaway which was a substantial participant in our Shannon project. Great relationship there. It would be you know not a surprise at all to me if they were participating in our next USA wind project, although you know there’s no commitments or anything else. I’d say that even if it weren’t you know the participants we had at Shannon, if it weren’t Berkshire, if it weren’t Citi there are plenty of other viable financiers for our next renewable energy projects. We have here at Alterra strong relationships with almost all USA tax equity providers and major project lenders. So could be any number of those providers Marin, but I do expect that there’s no shortage of capital for good projects today, so not a concern at all there as far as raising the debt or tax equity capital. Marin Katusa That’s great news. Jay this one would be for you. The Q4 on Toba generation was significantly lower than 2014 Q4. Was it just a — was there anything particular relating to the flow or was it in a capital issue or what was the reason of about 30% lower quarter-over-quarter. Jay Sutton No, just last year we had really high, we had a mild winter so we had much higher flows at the end of the year and at the beginning of 2015 so it was strictly related to just a water flows. Marin Katusa Lynda the last question from me, sorry for hogging so much time here, but when we look at the lump sum payments for the HS Orka loans over the next four or five years looking you know 17, 15, couple of 12s and a eight and I get that point how we’re dumping the — decrease that significantly but in this market with this project would be this is what I’d call like hot green debt you could refinance the 75 million HS Orka loan quite quickly. Is the company looking at doing the HS Orka loans at the same time as the Swedish debt or is the plan, no we’re just going to pay down the debt. John Carson Lynda and I are looking at each other here Marin, but let me speak up first on that one. It’s always a consideration and there is as you recognized there is a great deal of financing capacity at the HS Orka corporate level. So we have had some preliminary discussions around that and that is a possible outcome in the future. That said our first priority is to really finance the holdco loans, the Sweden House holding company loans. Those term out at the end of the year and that’s why our efforts are put there first and foremost and those activities are well under way. We have an advisor working for us, we’re really just kind of getting everything in line to get that done in a good way. So that’s where the focus is but yes there would be plenty of financing capacity at the HS Orka level. We’ll be looking at that in the future. My last statement about that is if and as we develop the Breuer [ph] and hydro project which I mentioned, or the Reykjanes 4 expansion, which I also referred to in the growth section, we may do a project related refinancing or new financing as well to supplement or complement the existing HS Orka loans. So a lot of interesting backdrop for Icelandic related financing, but to reiterate first and foremost we’ll be refinancing these holdco loans. Marin Katusa Very exciting, thanks all. Operator Thank you, your next question will be coming from Steven Hong at National Bank, please go ahead. Steven Hong Hi, this is Steven filling on behalf of Rupert. Just had one question with regards to Mariposa, Chile project, also maybe you could give us more additional color, just the fact that it was postponed in October 2015. John Carson Okay sure, that was a disappointment for us, we referred to I believe on our last call. We had originally planned to commence this drilling in late 2015 October and we announced you know upon postponement at the elections of the management partner of the project, our partner EDC Energy Development Corporation. They chose to defer this drilling for a year based on certain factors that were occurring in Chile, primarily a reduction in commodity prices which gets reflected in reduced forward power prices which affects the level of contracting that this project could get in Chile. In other words there seemed to be a negative spike in commodity prices and we’re going to you know they wanted to wait that out a little bit or to reassess. That was their decision to make, and we announced at that time that it would be deferred until late this year. So that’s currently the plan and who knows ultimately whether they will do it this year or defer further. We hope that certainly it occurs this year, sooner the better in our view. But in the end that particular decision is reserved for our partner. Steven Hong Okay, that’s all I have for today, thank you. Operator Thank you, [Operator Instructions], and currently Mr. Beaty, Mr. Carson we have no other questions registered. Ross Beaty Okay, thank you operator. We’re getting off lightly today. In that case we’ll end the call and thank again everyone for participating today. If you have any further questions you can certainly call our office in Vancouver and speak to any of the participants that have been talking today for any further details. Any comments John? John Carson No Ross, other than to say that I’d call everybody’s attention to the revised presentation on the website it has been revised the proper table on slide 12 is now there. Ross Beaty Okay, thanks very much and thanks again everyone for joining us, we’ll end the call now, thank you operator. Operator Thank you sir, ladies and gentlemen this does indeed conclude your conference call for today. Once again thank you for participating and at this time we do ask that you please disconnect your lines, enjoy the rest of your day. Copyright policy: All transcripts on this site are the copyright of Seeking Alpha. However, we view them as an important resource for bloggers and journalists, and are excited to contribute to the democratization of financial information on the Internet. 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